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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 08:29 AM
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We took the car out to our high elevation (DA=5800'), unprepped track ... LACR, to see how the car likes a wet 130 shot. Wow, was I amazed at the improvement. Here is how her runs played out:

Best MPH:
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.273
1.579
4.421
6.805
102.527
8.824
10.643
130.186
Shift points were at 6300 and left off of the transbrake

Best ET:
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.332
1.498
4.319
6.733
100.410
8.759
10.595
125.053
Left off of the foot brake and lowered shift points to 5300

Best 60':
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.097
1.477
.000
6.784
100.929
8.829
10.669
126.606
Left off of the transbrake and lowered shift points to 5300

You can see in the videos this is not the best hooking kind of track, but you do what you can with what you have. Correcting for the weather, these runs would have been in the 9s easily at a lower elevation, better weather track ... or is there was more rubber on the ground we could have got really close. Plus she also got another 2nd place trophy while playing around with the nitrous. Thanks go out to Rob of Strictly Performance Motorsports for his on-site assistance!
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 09:54 AM
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Great job, I am not too sure about the nines, elevation does effect the times of a nitrous engine, but not nearly as much as an N/A car, but it was a great day for you guys it seems!

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Thanks Bryan! We are adding more safety equipment just in case, then we will hit either Famoso or Fontana. She is scheduled to attend a reaction time clinic with Top Fuel driver Jack Beckman (and personal friend of hers) at Fontana in a couple of weeks. So if she runs with the nitrous, I would rather have the extra safety stuff and not run 9s, then the opposite. :o

Hey, I am going to send you an email about the Shootout, OK?
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 11:23 AM
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NICE!
Congratulations.
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congrats guys....
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 11:39 PM
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Hi,
Thanks for the congrats. I love what the NOS has done. I just love to - I was so - at how fast the car had gone and so excited to finally get into the 10's. Thanks for letting me share how happy I am. I have to say that sponsors are wonderful people. Mine are helping me get to where I want to be. I am just so Thanks again.
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Definately impressive

Good job
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Hi,
Thanks for the congrats. I love what the NOS has done. I just love to - I was so - at how fast the car had gone and so excited to finally get into the 10's. Thanks for letting me share how happy I am. I have to say that sponsors are wonderful people. Mine are helping me get to where I want to be. I am just so Thanks again.
Nothing like having NOS.Once you have it the fastest all motor car becomes boring without using NOS.It is addicting I tell you.I ran 10.13 @ 132 up there on a 200 shot with 5500 DA.So If you up the shot you may go 9's.Congrats
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Jason,
Sadly ... or good thing ... she is hooked on it. We may up the shot to 175 shot. I think it could go 9s up there with better traction and the bigger shot.
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congrats guys, getting your first 10 seconed slip. resaon why you had bad 60' on first run is cause your out of the rubber. need to make sure to get the car in the midle of the rubber. also if you spin off the line, you wont pick up the front tires at all. could be your high mph was due to not hooking and full bottle or bottle being fullest of all the other runs. also re do your anti roll bar i saw it at palmdale its adjsted wrong.

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Originally Posted by Flame Throwing SS
Jason,
Sadly ... or good thing ... she is hooked on it. We may up the shot to 175 shot. I think it could go 9s up there with better traction and the bigger shot.

remeber 45 more hp will not get you 9.xx from 10.59. need atlest another 100 shot to get their. but the extra 100 shot will require everything else to be perfect. that goes for tune, susp, driver and ect. i would say 200+ will get you to your goal, but not a single fogger.
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remeber 45 more hp will not get you 9.xx from 10.59. need atlest another 100 shot to get their. but the extra 100 shot will require everything else to be perfect. that goes for tune, susp, driver and ect. i would say 200+ will get you to your goal, but not a single fogger.
Nor did I say the 175 shot would get us 9s, I said with a bigger shot possibly. HP is not what get's you ET, it is the car setup. HP get's you MPH. Yes the tune is setup for N/A only, not nitrous so we could pick up more in that area. The suspension is pretty much setup, and the driver can handle 9s easily. With better track prep and weather we can get close to 9s.
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Originally Posted by Flame Throwing SS
... HP is not what get's you ET, it is the car setup. HP get's you MPH. ...

If horsepower dosent get you ET then turn the bottle off.
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Originally Posted by badls1
If horsepower dosent get you ET then turn the bottle off.
You have a point there.
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You know, I have argued with ricer that said the same thing. Let me elaborate ... if ET was directly derived from HP, then M6 cars would be getting better ETs than say a stalled A4s. But that is not true now is it? Stalled A4s dyno less than M6s, yet have better ETs. Same thing if we reduced the weight of the car. A 3800lbs car with 500rwhp wouldn't run the same number as say a 3000lbs car with 500rwhp. Also if a car has factory suspension, it will not 60' as good as a similar vehicle with suspension upgrades. Why do you think Pro-Stock guys are always messing with the setup of the car? It is all in the setup and the weather/track conditions. When we get our new engine in, we will gladly turn off the bottle. Now is my statement clear about HP doesn't effects ET (directly), the complete setup does.

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I clearly understand what your saying. If horespower dosent get you ET why did get a faster ET on nitrous. I am pretty sure nitrous gets your something. If you run nitrous long enough you will notice DA dosent have much effect as if you were N/A.

You cant campare our cars we pro stock, their always trying something diffrent to be competive in their series. Thats something out of our league.

Salled A4 runs faster than M6. Time the delay it takes for the M6 driver to shift in between gears, then program that same delay in a stalled A4 and you will see the difrence. Everyone keeps on talking about this topic, but no one ever accually thinks about the delay. You cant go slower with better gearing. Thats the same reason why auto goes quicker when you gear it up.
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So what your saying is if we run 28x10x15 slicks on bone stock f-body with 300rwhp, which will dead hook. but if you take a car with 500rwhp on street tires which will not hook, remember their on stock suspension only diffrence is horsepower same gearing and tranny. who will go faster the car that hooks or the car with the HP that dosent hook?
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Originally Posted by Flame Throwing SS
You know, I have argued with ricer that said the same thing. Let me elaborate ... if ET was directly derived from HP, then M6 cars would be getting better ETs than say a stalled A4s. But that is not tru now is it? Stalled A4s dyno less than M6s, yet have better ETs. Same thing if we reduced the weight of the car. A 3800lbs car with 500rwhp would run the same number as say a 3000lbs car with 500rwhp. Also if a car has factory suspension, it will not 60' as good as a similar vehicle with suspension upgrades. Why do you think Pro-Stock guys are always messing with the setup of the car? It is all in the setup and the weather/track conditions. When we get our new engine in, we will gladly turn off the bottle. Now is my statement clear about HP doesn't effects ET (directly), the complete setup does.
I guess I don't get what you mean about the 2 cars that have a 800 lb weight difference running equivalent time. Weight plays a big factor in et because the topend is slow. I know this from experience. Most m6's are slow because of the driver error involved. They are harder to launch, varying rpm with either bog or spin. Of course you need to upgrade the cars suspension to handle the extra power. There is minimal things to adjust on an fbody regardless.
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Originally Posted by badls1
I clearly understand what your saying. If horespower dosent get you ET why did get a faster ET on nitrous. I am pretty sure nitrous gets your something. If you run nitrous long enough you will notice DA dosent have much effect as if you were N/A.
To me quicker = ET and faster = MPH. Nitrous also adds torque, that is my point ... and without torque you 60' time will suffer, which directly affects ETs. HP alone will not generate better 60' time if the TQ stayed the same (which is not possible) Nitrous, SC and Turbos do pretty much the same thing ... increase the amount of useable oxygen to burn with additional fuel. You are right about the DA vs. ET though.

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You cant campare our cars we pro stock, their always trying something diffrent to be competive in their series. Thats something out of our league.
I was, it was an extreme example of why the car setup is crucial, which in the torque arm suspension the setup also crucial.

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Stalled A4 runs faster than M6. Time the delay it takes for the M6 driver to shift in between gears, then program that same delay in a stalled A4 and you will see the difrence. Everyone keeps on talking about this topic, but no one ever accually thinks about the delay. You cant go slower with better gearing. Thats the same reason why auto goes quicker when you gear it up.
You also need to factor in that stalled autos have atleast twice the amount of torque off the line than a manual (identically equipped) can produce, this results in quicker 60', which result in quicker ETs. Shift time has very little to do with that difference, may be .2 seconds. But if some one is that slow at shifting, they are not a very good manual driver. Most manual driver that know how to shift should be able to have a shift time of .02 seconds, which coincidently is about the delay amount in 4L60Es (WOT not part throttle).

Originally Posted by badls1
So what your saying is if we run 28x10x15 slicks on bone stock f-body with 300rwhp, which will dead hook. but if you take a car with 500rwhp on street tires which will not hook, remember their on stock suspension only diffrence is horsepower same gearing and tranny. who will go faster the car that hooks or the car with the HP that dosent hook?
I would image a manual trans, in order to make the 28s not bog the car down like they would an auto. The 500rwhp would trap higher (obviously, look at Jason's street car for example: 11.21 @ 125 MPH ... not to say it was on street tires either, just reference) and the 300rwhp should be able to match the ET of the 500rwhp car (if you rev it to 6000 rpms and don't care about the differential), yet be a few tenths slower. So in your original words ...

Originally Posted by badls1
remeber 45 more hp will not get you 9.xx from 10.59. need atlest another 100 shot to get their.
... the 500 rwhp car should run low 10s correct? It has the HP to run the ET? Not true at all, but you already knew that (see below) and I was re-affirming that the setup is more crucial to ET, then HP is to ET.

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will require everything else to be perfect. that goes for tune, susp, driver and ect..
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Originally Posted by Flame Throwing SS
You know, I have argued with ricer that said the same thing. Let me elaborate ... if ET was directly derived from HP, then M6 cars would be getting better ETs than say a stalled A4s. But that is not tru now is it? Stalled A4s dyno less than M6s, yet have better ETs. Same thing if we reduced the weight of the car. A 3800lbs car with 500rwhp wouldn't run the same number as say a 3000lbs car with 500rwhp. Also if a car has factory suspension, it will not 60' as good as a similar vehicle with suspension upgrades. Why do you think Pro-Stock guys are always messing with the setup of the car? It is all in the setup and the weather/track conditions. When we get our new engine in, we will gladly turn off the bottle. Now is my statement clear about HP doesn't effects ET (directly), the complete setup does.
Originally Posted by strokedls1
I guess I don't get what you mean about the 2 cars that have a 800 lb weight difference running equivalent time. Weight plays a big factor in et because the topend is slow. I know this from experience. Most m6's are slow because of the driver error involved. They are harder to launch, varying rpm with either bog or spin. Of course you need to upgrade the cars suspension to handle the extra power. There is minimal things to adjust on an fbody regardless.
Sorry, typo. I fixed it.
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