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Old 07-14-2006, 01:22 PM
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All men love to be blown....guess you are not a man.

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Originally Posted by BlackZCamaro
I know two words that will make Brett pull the hair out of his head.

Vaccum Leak.
LOL. There really is a lot of stuff going on in that engine bay.
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Its easier to find a vaccum leak in that engine bay than it is in the eclipse ****** dsm.
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Originally Posted by silver98formula
All men love to be blown....guess you are not a man.

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Well you have been slacking off lately chris!

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Originally Posted by RedXtacy
Its easier to find a vaccum leak in that engine bay than it is in the eclipse ****** dsm.
Quit your Crankwalkin bitchin!!!

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im back...decided to just stay at chris's...and wow...thats a small turbo!

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Originally Posted by 2005 Silverado
Quit your Crankwalkin bitchin!!!

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When will you dumbass noobs realize a 6 bolt isnt prone to crankwalk compared to a 7 bolt.
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Originally Posted by RedXtacy
When will you dumbass noobs realize a 6 bolt isnt prone to crankwalk compared to a 7 bolt.
Ok fine brett...just quit your bitching then!...

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ya brett, your starting to sound like dustin!
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Originally Posted by NBMgreg
ya brett, your starting to sound like dustin!
YEAH...oh and i cant be a post *****...technically i only post like .51 posts per day!

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Quit being post wores!

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Originally Posted by 2005 Silverado
Sorry...i am apparently not up to date with all the Turbo Tech...or maybe i just dont like being blown as much as you?

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It's not turbo tech specifically, it's just airflow characteristics of an engine. Engines are essentially air pumps. The more air you can flow, the more fuel you can add, and the more power you can make. Aftermarket cams are designed for more duration, hence more airflow, ported heads flow better, long-tube headers flow better, etc etc. PSI is a measure of resistance to airflow. You won't have any PSI if an engine is capable of using every gram of air that a turbo or s/c puts out, but the engine will still be using all of the air, so it will still be making power. That is why you can take a 4 cylinder engine and run 25 psi with no problem. The engine doesn't flow that much air relative to the potential output of the turbo. Now take that same turbo and put it on a V8, what do you get? Maybe 10-12 psi? But the V8 will make more power, all other things being equal. PSI does not equal power. Airflow equals power. It's the same concept with a supercharger. My Radix, on my old 5.3, with a 3.00" pulley was making 10-11 psi. That exact same setup on my new 6.0 only makes about 6-7 psi, but I am putting a ton more power to the ground (or I would be, if my 4L80E wasn't eating up most of it).

Brett is talking about how much power that turbo can support. 550 whp can be achieved on a smaller engine running 20 psi or on a larger engine running at 10 psi, but the same turbo can support either setup. (I just made up those PSI numbers, but the concept is what we're after here....)
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Originally Posted by thunder550
It's not turbo tech specifically, it's just airflow characteristics of an engine. Engines are essentially air pumps. The more air you can flow, the more fuel you can add, and the more power you can make. Aftermarket cams are designed for more duration, hence more airflow, ported heads flow better, long-tube headers flow better, etc etc. PSI is a measure of resistance to airflow. You won't have any PSI if an engine is capable of using every gram of air that a turbo or s/c puts out, but the engine will still be using all of the air, so it will still be making power. That is why you can take a 4 cylinder engine and run 25 psi with no problem. The engine doesn't flow that much air relative to the potential output of the turbo. Now take that same turbo and put it on a V8, what do you get? Maybe 10-12 psi? But the V8 will make more power, all other things being equal. PSI does not equal power. Airflow equals power. It's the same concept with a supercharger. My Radix, on my old 5.3, with a 3.00" pulley was making 10-11 psi. That exact same setup on my new 6.0 only makes about 6-7 psi, but I am putting a ton more power to the ground (or I would be, if my 4L80E wasn't eating up most of it).

Brett is talking about how much power that turbo can support. 550 whp can be achieved on a smaller engine running 20 psi or on a larger engine running at 10 psi, but the same turbo can support either setup. (I just made up those PSI numbers, but the concept is what we're after here....)
Nitrous seems easier! But S/C's and Turbo's are neat!

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FWIW...I'm not a post *****... probably 80% of my posts have been over on the truck section in tech-related threads.
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Originally Posted by 2005 Silverado
Nitrous seems easier! But S/C's and Turbo's are neat!

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Nitrous goes away when your bottle empties. I never have to refill my supercharger
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nitrous uses the same concept as any power adder... results in more air flow. correct me if im wrong, but since nitrous is a gas, it freezes the molecules and compresses them allowing more air to flow.
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I think I am going back to a clutch fan setup on my truck - the e-fans suck for towing and are hell on my electrical system. I may go to a different cam too, looking at either the LPE GT2-3 or GT7, they will idle more like stock, which should help out driveability a lot, and they are very popular with the Radix truck crowd. Oh, and my 2.8 pulley is FINALLY shipping today from Magnacharger, more boost FTW!!

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216/224-551/551-116 (with my 1.8 rockers I am at .583 lift)

GT2-3
207/220-571/579-118.5

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208/230-554/546-121

What do you guys think?
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Originally Posted by thunder550
Nitrous goes away when your bottle empties. I never have to refill my supercharger
Very true...also...i have been posting alot more in the Truck forums as well...V-8 or bust!

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Originally Posted by NBMgreg
nitrous uses the same concept as any power adder... results in more air flow. correct me if im wrong, but since nitrous is a gas, it freezes the molecules and compresses them allowing more air to flow.
I think you are correct....I don't believe the nitrous actually burns (much), it just cools the air charge so much that you get a ton more air into the combustion chamber.
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Originally Posted by 2005 Silverado
Very true...also...i have been posting alot more in the Truck forums as well...V-8 or bust!

Dustin
LOL I have my old 5.3 in my garage, dad and I were talking about using it for a sand rail, but if that falls through I might be looking to get rid of it. I'd even help you put it in...got the engine lift and stand from my swap in the garage.
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