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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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What does that mean? Does that mean they are sort of legal? I have to buy headers really soon and need to decide whether to go longtubes or mids
And i've heard if i get a catted Y, i would pass the sniffer... Is that true??
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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IN California, all the parts that involve emissions, must be original equipment or have a Carb #. Also, the after market parts, cannot change the original location of the catalytic converters... which long tubes do. So all in all, ALL longtubes in CA are illegal on our cars. However, i have a friend with an 01 formula who has longtubes that came with the AIR tube connection and the smog guy didnt even notice they were headers, he just notice that it had the same connections as required in the Engine bay, but a true smog technician would have notice the long tubes...my buddy just got lucky.
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 05:58 PM
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these days they wont even bother to look under the car man, all that is imortat is the sniffer
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MIDS then? Or is it the same deal
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get long tubes, dont get the mids man
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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LMAO! hopefully your state will ditch the sniffer soon.. i'm going to roll in the bay with LT and NO cats and hope for the best.. they only look for active PCM codes
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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by black_phoenix
What does that mean? Does that mean they are sort of legal? I have to buy headers really soon and need to decide whether to go longtubes or mids
And i've heard if i get a catted Y, i would pass the sniffer... Is that true??
LT's with emissions only means that the headers come with provisions for the AIR and EGR, It has nothing to do with the "legality" of using them.
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Originally Posted by black_phoenix
MIDS then? Or is it the same deal
Yep, mids re-locate the catalytic converters, thus making it unlawful. Anything other than shorty's, is not legal. Its not illegal in a sense that you cant OWN Mids or Long Tubes.... you just cant have them installed onto a vehicle that is operated on a daily basis. Here is a quote from the Air Resource Board:

"If the part or modification is shown to not increase vehicle emissions, it is granted an exemption to emission control system anti-tampering laws. This exemption is called an Executive Order (EO) and allows the modification to be installed on specific emission controlled vehicles. Every Executive Order part or modification has an assigned number that can be verified by Smog Check stations"
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Not to be a dick, but one of these days we should make one of the CA Smog/Emissions a sticky so these questions don't keep getting asked needless amounts of times.
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_02
Not to be a dick, but one of these days we should make one of the CA Smog/Emissions a sticky so these questions don't keep getting asked needless amounts of times.
Totally agree on this one
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_02
Not to be a dick, but one of these days we should make one of the CA Smog/Emissions a sticky so these questions don't keep getting asked needless amounts of times.
well i'd rather ask now and know rather than buying first and asking later...
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Originally Posted by ae13291
get long tubes, dont get the mids man
i just plan on lowering my car someday...

But if i go with LT's i would definitely go with pacesetters and their Y, but i've heard people complain about the Y
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About the LT's... I've heard that to install them the engine must be raised?
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Originally Posted by black_phoenix
well i'd rather ask now and know rather than buying first and asking later...
Oh I totally understand, I'm just suggesting maybe doing a search on the forum before the thread. And if you did and couldn't find what you were looking for, then I apologize.

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About the LT's... I've heard that to install them the engine must be raised?
We had to raise the engine on my old Hawk to put the mids in.
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Originally Posted by black_phoenix
About the LT's... I've heard that to install them the engine must be raised?
no need man, all u need to do is raise the car up in the air pretty high, and take out the passanger side coil bracket, that would help out alot! and as for the y pipe, it is a ok y pipe, i mean what is there to it? its a peice of pipe, people complain about the two dents on them made for clearance
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Originally Posted by blackhawk_02
Oh I totally understand, I'm just suggesting maybe doing a search on the forum before the thread. And if you did and couldn't find what you were looking for, then I apologize.

We had to raise the engine on my old Hawk to put the mids in.
thanx for the advice, but i did use the search but really did not find the answers i was looking for...
I probably will not be installing the headers myself... I'll go to a muffler shop
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Originally Posted by ae13291
no need man, all u need to do is raise the car up in the air pretty high, and take out the passanger side coil bracket, that would help out alot! and as for the y pipe, it is a ok y pipe, i mean what is there to it? its a peice of pipe, people complain about the two dents on them made for clearance
yeah, seems like a whole pile of trouble if i will do it myself... i'll prolly go to a muffler shop to install the whole thing
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