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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cruiSSin LS1
o man...that makes me wanna get a h/c!!! what is the turn around usually for a h/c package...week? 2 weeks? or just does it depend on how busy you are at the time?
we schedule in jobs like that .and it would take 3 days..
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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driver side head gasket $500 labor + gasket

install heads and cam $1000 labor

install heads and cam $1000 labor, plus $1650 for spm stage 2 ls6 heads 'assembled', $350 for any spm cam, $95 for pushrods, 105.95 for double roller billet timing chain.

tuning included in the heads and cam packadge,for no charge .only $100.oo for dyno time

total: $2750.oo with tuning AND DYNO TIME


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That's a good *** deal!

How much more for the stage 3 heads? Who does the porting?
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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tim adams..
has been doing porting for me ,morgan motorsports ,west coast cylinder heads and alot of others.
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SP Motorsports
tim adams..
has been doing porting for me ,morgan motorsports ,west coast cylinder heads and alot of others.
He did my heads back in the day ( 5 years ago ) when my car ran 10.04 @ 134...Tim really knows his stuff when it comes to Porting and I am glad to see him team up with SP Motorsports aswell...
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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this is turning real interesting, rob what kinda cams u have in the 23X range?
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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we can spec out a cam for your setup in any range for no charge..we use new billets ground to our own specifacations these are our own cams not some other companys brand.we contract a cam grinding facility to do all of our cams we do not buy shelf cams from anybody.so what that means is we have an unlimited resource to finding every last pony in your setup.
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 05:58 PM
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no ****... well that is exciting, in that case what kinda possibilities could we come up with in the low-mid 230s thats going to make it so we dont have to worry too much about pvc and going thru vlave springs every 12 months?
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SP Motorsports
tim adams..
has been doing porting for me ,morgan motorsports ,west coast cylinder heads and alot of others.
really tim ports for west coast cylinders?? **** i though the owner richard reyman would do his own porting........ but maybe i am wrong......... and morgan motorsports....... well that is a joke..... but maybe i shouldnt say that considering you used to work there.............
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SP Motorsports
driver side head gasket $500 labor + gasket

install heads and cam $1000 labor

install heads and cam $1000 labor, plus $1650 for spm stage 2 ls6 heads 'assembled', $350 for any spm cam, $95 for pushrods, 105.95 for double roller billet timing chain.

tuning included in the heads and cam packadge,for no charge .only $100.oo for dyno time

total: $2750.oo with tuning AND DYNO TIME


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i can beat those prices........... but i wont, not going to cut into my profits like that, i have alot of overhead and need to pay the bills, we do good work here..... sometimes that expertise costs a little more.

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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
really tim ports for west coast cylinders?? **** i though the owner richard reyman would do his own porting........ but maybe i am wrong......... and morgan motorsports....... well that is a joke..... but maybe i shouldnt say that considering you used to work there.............
I can't totally agree with you about Morgan being a Joke since they did for a few have the quickest and fastest N/A H/C car ( Terry Burger ) And my old setup was a MMS setup and @ the time I ran my times I was the 5th fastest H/C NOS in the Country...So I guess not everything they did was bad...

Lets not drag a closed shop through the mud...
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
i can beat those prices........... but i wont, not going to cut into my profits like that, i have alot of overhead and need to pay the bills, we do good work here..... sometimes that expertise costs a little more.
Having 3 cars builts built by other shops and having a shop open for a year makes you an expert?

Robs never been about maintaining a profit margin... I think hed rather eat Top Ramen and pump out 9, 10 second cars than nickel and dime his customers for every little minor change to their setups.

Some people are in it for the bussines side of it.. then there are some of us who just love to build bad *** race cars and could give a **** less about maxing out our retirement fund...
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Originally Posted by james562
Having 3 cars builts built by other shops and having a shop open for a year makes you an expert?

Robs never been about maintaining a profit margin... I think hed rather eat Top Ramen and pump out 9, 10 second cars than nickel and dime his customers for every little minor change to their setups.

Some people are in it for the bussines side of it.. then there are some of us who just love to build bad *** race cars and could give a **** less about maxing out our retirement fund...
If ur just in it to build badass cars, can I hit you up to install my parts for free? And Ryne's price wasnt "nickel and diming" for a small change, if youve ever had work done with him you'd know he throws alot in for free. The price he quoted was a fair and average price. Not everyone has the time or money to throw away 600 bucks on a small profit job like that. Everyone acknowledged it was a great deal on Rob's part, but Ryne's wasnt bad at all. The ultimate cost will always make the choice for some people though..

and btw, who built Ryne's cars besides himself and maybe some help from his friends?
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by james562
Having 3 cars builts built by other shops and having a shop open for a year makes you an expert?

Robs never been about maintaining a profit margin... I think hed rather eat Top Ramen and pump out 9, 10 second cars than nickel and dime his customers for every little minor change to their setups.

Some people are in it for the bussines side of it.. then there are some of us who just love to build bad *** race cars and could give a **** less about maxing out our retirement fund...
and damn, what the hell did Ryne do to **** u off? That was a pretty bitchy post
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by james562
Having 3 cars builts built by other shops and having a shop open for a year makes you an expert?

Robs never been about maintaining a profit margin... I think hed rather eat Top Ramen and pump out 9, 10 second cars than nickel and dime his customers for every little minor change to their setups.

Some people are in it for the bussines side of it.. then there are some of us who just love to build bad *** race cars and could give a **** less about maxing out our retirement fund...
You hit the nail on the head, I nickle and dime my customers for every little minor change to thier setups!! I guess thats why I do and have always done free updates in their tunes. Damn there I go nickle and diming the crap out them. Speak when you know what your talking about.
Its not about maintaing profit margin, its about paying the bills. If I under cut Rob like he just did to me pretty soon I wouldn't be making enough to keep my shop open, now what good would that do, who cares if you win the battle if you lose the war!!
As far as 9 and 10 second cars I ask you to show me how many customers come out of there with 9 or 10 sec cars. I do have some and there are plans for quite a few more considering I have only been open a year I think I CMS has put out some damn fast cars.
Also as far as other people building my cars, how the hell would you know??? Were you there the many times I pulled heads, trannys, rear ends and motors in my garage before I ever had a shop???? You must be right though I build my customers cars and then take my cars to other shops to get built....Again Speak when you know what your talking about!!!
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:14 PM
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the new shop is not ready yet...but there will be a huge bbq and car show with a free dyno day at our new facility.just to kick it off good...
let me know whe this happens so i can take u the impala!
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:16 PM
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i am in for the dyno day rob,just say when
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
really tim ports for west coast cylinders?? **** i though the owner richard reyman would do his own porting........ but maybe i am wrong......... and morgan motorsports....... well that is a joke..... but maybe i shouldnt say that considering you used to work there.............
that is a great point .that you do not know what you are talking about.you can allways ask richard if he uses tim for some of his porting needs...oh i forgot you know it all...........or do you...anyway like the post says.
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
As far as 9 and 10 second cars I ask you to show me how many customers come out of there with 9 or 10 sec cars.
Here are some Magazine Cars http://www.gmhightechperformance.com..._ss/index.html

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Same car diffirent feature of it http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html

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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryne @ CMS
Its not about maintaing profit margin, its about paying the bills. If I under cut Rob like he just did to me pretty soon I wouldn't be making enough to keep my shop open, now what good would that do, who cares if you win the battle if you lose the war!!
i did not know this was a cms thread.....i apologize.
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Rob, what is the compression on your stg 2 heads
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