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Old 09-01-2008, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry
Here's a suggestion: try to make your own using the MSDS as a guide.

Isopropanol (CAS 67-63-0): 60-100 %
Ingredients determined not to be hazardous: 10-30 %
Solvent naphtha (petroleum), light aliph.: (CAS 64742-89-8) 0-1 %

Isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) makes up at least 60% of the product, 10-30% is an unknown and non-haz item (water maybe?). According to the MSDS, there is a "fruity alcohol fragrance", maybe the unknown substance is a food syrup of some sort. I haven't seen it in person, but I'm assuming it's a solution so the unknown would have to be slightly polar.

Anyone have access to a mass spectrometer? GC-MS?
If someone can get me some, I might be able to have one of the chemists put it under the spectrometer at work.
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Wow. Well they better just outlaw gasoline because of car accidents, as gasoline promotes driving.
Im sooooooo moving back to Texas.
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Originally Posted by ROCNDAV
If someone can get me some, I might be able to have one of the chemists put it under the spectrometer at work.
Where in LA are you located? I might be able to take you a little bit. Exactly how much do you think you will need to have a proper test run?
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Originally Posted by ROCNDAV
If someone can get me some, I might be able to have one of the chemists put it under the spectrometer at work.
Sweet.

Originally Posted by djsanchez2
Where in LA are you located? I might be able to take you a little bit. Exactly how much do you think you will need to have a proper test run?
It shouldn't be that much. When I use to supply samples to our chemists to run, it would be around 100mL or so, but they would use far less (if I remember correctly). 100mL is like a few ounces.

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Yeah, I'll check at work tomorrow.
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Now we can all be garage chemists.
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry
Now we can all be garage chemists.
Thermite anyone?
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry
Here's a suggestion: try to make your own using the MSDS as a guide.

Isopropanol (CAS 67-63-0): 60-100 %
Ingredients determined not to be hazardous: 10-30 %
Solvent naphtha (petroleum), light aliph.: (CAS 64742-89-8) 0-1 %

Isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) makes up at least 60% of the product, 10-30% is an unknown and non-haz item (water maybe?). According to the MSDS, there is a "fruity alcohol fragrance", maybe the unknown substance is a food syrup of some sort. I haven't seen it in person, but I'm assuming it's a solution so the unknown would have to be slightly polar.

Anyone have access to a mass spectrometer? GC-MS?
Holy ****, looks like im not the only first responder here. Bry whats the first thing you do when you arrive on scene? answer- look for MSDS's.
Old 09-01-2008, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry
Now we can all be garage chemists.
I think SoCal has enough garage chemists...
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Originally Posted by MrElectric03
I think SoCal has enough garage chemists...
especially in the 909
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Seriously though, I'm willing to spend a few bucks and mix the alcohol and corn syrup in the correct proportion, but the question is: who wants to try it?

We'll call it Methland VHT... straight from the 951 (formerly 909).
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I think things are getting a little carried away here with all the street racing bullshit laws. Now no vht, what the ****, this just pisses me off even more.

Im moving out there in the spring and already not looking forward to what I am going to do with my car. So no body can have a nice hotrod street car in california? I dont believe that.
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No didn't you know that?

Hell it will be illegal to take showers longer than 5mins soon. Damn hippies and mis-guided officials think they are solving something by doing this? People will still get VHT, people will still race.

I can just see it now, homebrew VHT dealers near every "track"
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are u guys sure there is a law and not just vht isnt making it anymore?? maybe there going out of buissness and no one else makes the stuff. .
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Originally Posted by SUCK MY SS
what is oren brothers?
hahaahah i just got that joke had to look at it agian . . orme isnt it. ?
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Originally Posted by flash12t
are u guys sure there is a law and not just vht isnt making it anymore?? maybe there going out of buissness and no one else makes the stuff. .
I don't know their history, but when looking for a website, I came across another company's that looked like they acquired VHT. The site was incomplete for VHT.

Also, the MSDS states VHT is manufactured in Australia, FWIW.

Even if it's not discontinued/illegal, the thought of homebrew is exciting.
Old 09-02-2008, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ss1129
How can you ban something thats legal to own anyways?
Dude, this is California........soon everything that cannot be taxed, or have a fee attached by the state will be illegal.
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pssh...psssh. hey u there ... u want some of the stickie icky... really you have vht. SSHHHHH!!. lmao
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