00 WS6 Convertible.
00 WS6 Convertible. I am considering selling my WS6 vert. I am usually pretty good at estimating price, but these things are rare as crap and it's hard to find examples.
158K miles on it. Rebuilt LQ4 motor. Stage 2 T-56 that's still under warranty. Bright red, black leather, has the hard boot, new headlight motors, double DIN touch screen NAV unit, everything works on it. Doesn't leak a drop of oil, hot idles at 55PSI. Paint is driver quality, some shitheel scratched my passenger quarter panel in a parking lot.
Has the typical Fbody crap. Drivers seat stitching has come undone, dash pad is cracked, door panels have single cracks. The top is iffy, it doesn't leak, but it's pretty loose. Already stretched it once, needs it again.
It's a 100% driver. Decent enough to win a trophy in a fairly stacked 00's class. Any thoughts?
158K miles on it. Rebuilt LQ4 motor. Stage 2 T-56 that's still under warranty. Bright red, black leather, has the hard boot, new headlight motors, double DIN touch screen NAV unit, everything works on it. Doesn't leak a drop of oil, hot idles at 55PSI. Paint is driver quality, some shitheel scratched my passenger quarter panel in a parking lot.
Has the typical Fbody crap. Drivers seat stitching has come undone, dash pad is cracked, door panels have single cracks. The top is iffy, it doesn't leak, but it's pretty loose. Already stretched it once, needs it again.
It's a 100% driver. Decent enough to win a trophy in a fairly stacked 00's class. Any thoughts?
Here are examples found. The Appleton and St. Louis ones are in excellent condition. Convertibles are viewed differently with higher mileage versus a coupe. Their demand drops steeply.
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/5647469044.html
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/5617019212.html
http://appleton.craigslist.org/cto/5615149921.html
http://siouxfalls.craigslist.org/cto/5650520298.html
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5616321060.html
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/5647469044.html
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/5617019212.html
http://appleton.craigslist.org/cto/5615149921.html
http://siouxfalls.craigslist.org/cto/5650520298.html
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5616321060.html
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While yours looks exceptionally GOOD for a car with those miles I certainly agree with 70T/A400 that the value won't be there. KBB will probably be close to spot on for your 'vert, even with the mods and what you have described (thanks for saying that it isn't in great shape with no details). Rarity may allow you to ask a bit more, but with it probably needing a new top, and the other cosmetic issues, don't expect it. Rarity really doesn't apply too much in this instance. All you can do is try. I'm guessing that $6,000 will be the KBB price in your zip code, so perhaps $6,500 - $7,000 might be a good place to start. You can always lower the price later. I can't imagine many buyers out there that would pay more than book for a 158,000 miles car to be honest, then spend more to repair things if that is what they wanted to do. I hope this price range is what you had in mind. GLWS!!
While yours looks exceptionally GOOD for a car with those miles I certainly agree with 70T/A400 that the value won't be there. KBB will probably be close to spot on for your 'vert, even with the mods and what you have described (thanks for saying that it isn't in great shape with no details). Rarity may allow you to ask a bit more, but with it probably needing a new top, and the other cosmetic issues, don't expect it. Rarity really doesn't apply too much in this instance. All you can do is try. I'm guessing that $6,000 will be the KBB price in your zip code, so perhaps $6,500 - $7,000 might be a good place to start. You can always lower the price later. I can't imagine many buyers out there that would pay more than book for a 158,000 miles car to be honest, then spend more to repair things if that is what they wanted to do. I hope this price range is what you had in mind. GLWS!!
In my area, WS6 cars bring a premium and the miles aren't as big a deal. There is a 99 T-top with 190K on it and the asking price is 9K, then there is an 00 t-top with 158K and some mods for $14K.
I think I can do a little better than $7k, but no way do I get over 10K.
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I'm surprised KBB is that low. That doesn't help you sell the car. People use KBB as a guide or tool in many instances. That's too bad. Each area of the country is certainly different and only you know your area best. Asking $9,000 is quite high IMO but isn't outrageous enough to stop buyers from at least inquiring. They know it is open for negotiations. If no one calls, then you know it's too high. Never any harm in trying. Again, good luck. Would certainly appreciate any updates as time passes, either positive or negative. It just helps others see real transactions and efforts.
I'm surprised KBB is that low. That doesn't help you sell the car. People use KBB as a guide or tool in many instances. That's too bad. Each area of the country is certainly different and only you know your area best. Asking $9,000 is quite high IMO but isn't outrageous enough to stop buyers from at least inquiring. They know it is open for negotiations. If no one calls, then you know it's too high. Never any harm in trying. Again, good luck. Would certainly appreciate any updates as time passes, either positive or negative. It just helps others see real transactions and efforts.
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I don't think KBB varies all that much by state. At least I don't see that. If anything, it might show a premium for states where WS6's don't show up very often (like Alaska?).
In any case, last time I was looking for WS6 verts in 2011-2013, and I was looking at a lot of them, here's what I could have bought. A 2001 NBM A4 with 12K miles for $17,500 (that was a great price). A 1999 black A4 with mid-20's mileage from a dealer in the mid-west at $14,000. I saw a number of 2001-2002 verts in my region with 55K miles or so with asking prices around $14K. Now tack on another 100,000 miles to that and you probably end up with at least a $6K, and up to an $8K difference. The much better values are the ones with 75K miles and less. Mileage always is a big player, even if the price guides tend to under-estimate it.
I find that that the KBB price spread (private party vg condition) on this vehicle is $5,000. So they aren't that far off. So add another $1,000. If it's an M6 add another $1,000 for that. I'd probably toss in another $1K-$2K for the fact that your engine and trans are fairly fresh, even if not stock. Winning a trophy at a show is always fun. But, it's not always a good indicator of what one's car is worth. I routinely won trophies with my Mopar verts 10 years ago....and one of the reasons was I had an unfair advantage showing my car open vs. the hardtops. Not really a fair comparison as the verts look cool with the top down. NADA at $8900 doesn't seem unreasonable if the important nits were fixed (ie new top, dash cracks fixed/replaced, driver's seat cover).
In any case, last time I was looking for WS6 verts in 2011-2013, and I was looking at a lot of them, here's what I could have bought. A 2001 NBM A4 with 12K miles for $17,500 (that was a great price). A 1999 black A4 with mid-20's mileage from a dealer in the mid-west at $14,000. I saw a number of 2001-2002 verts in my region with 55K miles or so with asking prices around $14K. Now tack on another 100,000 miles to that and you probably end up with at least a $6K, and up to an $8K difference. The much better values are the ones with 75K miles and less. Mileage always is a big player, even if the price guides tend to under-estimate it.
I find that that the KBB price spread (private party vg condition) on this vehicle is $5,000. So they aren't that far off. So add another $1,000. If it's an M6 add another $1,000 for that. I'd probably toss in another $1K-$2K for the fact that your engine and trans are fairly fresh, even if not stock. Winning a trophy at a show is always fun. But, it's not always a good indicator of what one's car is worth. I routinely won trophies with my Mopar verts 10 years ago....and one of the reasons was I had an unfair advantage showing my car open vs. the hardtops. Not really a fair comparison as the verts look cool with the top down. NADA at $8900 doesn't seem unreasonable if the important nits were fixed (ie new top, dash cracks fixed/replaced, driver's seat cover).
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I don't think KBB varies all that much by state. At least I don't see that. If anything, it might show a premium for states where WS6's don't show up very often (like Alaska?).
In any case, last time I was looking for WS6 verts in 2011-2013, and I was looking at a lot of them, here's what I could have bought. A 2001 NBM A4 with 12K miles for $17,500 (that was a great price). A 1999 black A4 with mid-20's mileage from a dealer in the mid-west at $14,000. I saw a number of 2001-2002 verts in my region with 55K miles or so with asking prices around $14K. Now tack on another 100,000 miles to that and you probably end up with at least a $6K, and up to an $8K difference. The much better values are the ones with 75K miles and less. Mileage always is a big player, even if the price guides tend to under-estimate it.
I find that that the KBB price spread (private party vg condition) on this vehicle is $5,000. So they aren't that far off. So add another $1,000. If it's an M6 add another $1,000 for that. I'd probably toss in another $1K-$2K for the fact that your engine and trans are fairly fresh, even if not stock. Winning a trophy at a show is always fun. But, it's not always a good indicator of what one's car is worth. I routinely won trophies with my Mopar verts 10 years ago....and one of the reasons was I had an unfair advantage showing my car open vs. the hardtops. Not really a fair comparison as the verts look cool with the top down. NADA at $8900 doesn't seem unreasonable if the important nits were fixed (ie new top, dash cracks fixed/replaced, driver's seat cover).
In any case, last time I was looking for WS6 verts in 2011-2013, and I was looking at a lot of them, here's what I could have bought. A 2001 NBM A4 with 12K miles for $17,500 (that was a great price). A 1999 black A4 with mid-20's mileage from a dealer in the mid-west at $14,000. I saw a number of 2001-2002 verts in my region with 55K miles or so with asking prices around $14K. Now tack on another 100,000 miles to that and you probably end up with at least a $6K, and up to an $8K difference. The much better values are the ones with 75K miles and less. Mileage always is a big player, even if the price guides tend to under-estimate it.
I find that that the KBB price spread (private party vg condition) on this vehicle is $5,000. So they aren't that far off. So add another $1,000. If it's an M6 add another $1,000 for that. I'd probably toss in another $1K-$2K for the fact that your engine and trans are fairly fresh, even if not stock. Winning a trophy at a show is always fun. But, it's not always a good indicator of what one's car is worth. I routinely won trophies with my Mopar verts 10 years ago....and one of the reasons was I had an unfair advantage showing my car open vs. the hardtops. Not really a fair comparison as the verts look cool with the top down. NADA at $8900 doesn't seem unreasonable if the important nits were fixed (ie new top, dash cracks fixed/replaced, driver's seat cover).
I know the trophy doesn't mean much for the value, but it does show that it's not a total clapped out POS either.
From what I've seen here, I think $8K is fairly reasonable. Now I just have to continue the war with myself to see if I actually want to sell it.
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I've thought about selling my 2000 ragtop, but with 175k miles, even though it's in good to very good condition, it won't bring much. Certainly not enough to come close to replacing it with something as much fun.