2000 ws6 m6
2000 ws6 m6 I'm looking at test driving a red 2000 WS6 M6 soon and was wondering what would be a good offer to come in at if everything checks out. It is a 4 owner car with around 65k miles, no rust, no accidents reported, and only mod on it is a Flowmaster catback. He is asking $13900 and I was thinking about coming in around $12500. Does that still seem to high to pay for a 4 owner car?
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That's a lot of owners so its never going to skyrocket in value no matter what but it sounds like a decent car.
Check the drivers side door for codes to verify its a real WS6.
9-11K would be a decent offer, pending its condition inside and out, hard to guess without pics/more info.
Check the drivers side door for codes to verify its a real WS6.
9-11K would be a decent offer, pending its condition inside and out, hard to guess without pics/more info.
True. I will lower my offer then if I end up seeing this one and see what happens. It does seem pretty overpriced.
Here is the listing:
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...583915521.html
Here is the listing:
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...583915521.html
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I feel it is overpriced too. 4 owners are too many for my taste, especially with a manual tranny. It just takes one of those owners to be a novice at shifting, and possibly causing damage/ repairs. A one or two owner car with a well documented history is always the best way to go with a manual transmission car. Not always easy to find but they are out there. About 10 years ago I took a chance on a 1995 6 speed 911 with 44k miles on it and two prior owners. I lucked out and the car was fine. I would have doubled my risk if the car had 4 owners, and I would have passed completely if the price was high to start with. Good luck with your search!
I feel it is overpriced too. 4 owners are too many for my taste, especially with a manual tranny. It just takes one of those owners to be a novice at shifting, and possibly causing damage/ repairs. A one or two owner car with a well documented history is always the best way to go with a manual transmission car. Not always easy to find but they are out there. About 10 years ago I took a chance on a 1995 6 speed 911 with 44k miles on it and two prior owners. I lucked out and the car was fine. I would have doubled my risk if the car had 4 owners, and I would have passed completely if the price was high to start with. Good luck with your search!
What would be a good offer on this one? It is a 3 owner, with the current owner only putting 3k miles on it. It certainly looks clean and the mileage backs that up too. He is asking $12,900.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...593820045.html
Edit: I think I'm actually going to make the hour drive to see this one in person hopefully this weekend and if I like it make an offer. Since it's so low mileage, I will probably offer around 11-11.5k for it and go from there after checking it over in detail.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...593820045.html
Edit: I think I'm actually going to make the hour drive to see this one in person hopefully this weekend and if I like it make an offer. Since it's so low mileage, I will probably offer around 11-11.5k for it and go from there after checking it over in detail.
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What would be a good offer on this one? It is a 3 owner, with the current owner only putting 3k miles on it. It certainly looks clean and the mileage backs that up too. He is asking $12,900.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...593820045.html
Edit: I think I'm actually going to make the hour drive to see this one in person hopefully this weekend and if I like it make an offer. Since it's so low mileage, I will probably offer around 11-11.5k for it and go from there after checking it over in detail.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...593820045.html
Edit: I think I'm actually going to make the hour drive to see this one in person hopefully this weekend and if I like it make an offer. Since it's so low mileage, I will probably offer around 11-11.5k for it and go from there after checking it over in detail.
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What would be a good offer on this one? It is a 3 owner, with the current owner only putting 3k miles on it. It certainly looks clean and the mileage backs that up too. He is asking $12,900.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...593820045.html
Edit: I think I'm actually going to make the hour drive to see this one in person hopefully this weekend and if I like it make an offer. Since it's so low mileage, I will probably offer around 11-11.5k for it and go from there after checking it over in detail.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...593820045.html
Edit: I think I'm actually going to make the hour drive to see this one in person hopefully this weekend and if I like it make an offer. Since it's so low mileage, I will probably offer around 11-11.5k for it and go from there after checking it over in detail.
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I do kind of agree with this sediment. That would be like saying a woman couldn't make a good wife based upon the number of boyfriends she has had. These cars are almost 20 years old now so in my mind having 3 or 4 owners should be almost expected as most people don't hold on to the same vehicle for more than 5 years or so in today's world. If it had a new owner every 6 months or even 2 years I would be potentially concerned but still everything is circumstantial as most situations are financial and have little to do with the condition of the car. I would also think that with 3 or 4 owners over 17 years that anything that was going to surface that was not standard wear and tear would have already happened. Do I think there is a slight increased risk with each owner? Yes that is probably true but honestly this risk in my mind is so small in that for all we know each owner took just as good care as the last. Just because it is one owner doesn't mean that one owner hasn't beat the snot out of it which in my mind is where JC is going is that you can usually tell how the car was handled based upon the overall condition of the vehicle. It also doesn't mean that you buy a nice one owner car and 6 months later the motor seizes up or you have piston failure. With an mechanical device you are going to experience failure and it's not always based on the severity of the service it was exposed to.
Thanks for the input guys. I did talk to the seller yesterday and he seems to be older which is great and refused to meet me halfway to show the car if it was raining which is another good sign, but I am going to pass on this one and try to find either an SS or WS6 that is up to $11k max in price. I may have gotten ahead of myself at the $12k+ price range and my wife wasn't having it with us having a 7 month old at home. I'm sure I will find something for $11k whether it be local or not. I'm hoping to not have to travel and something good will present itself here in MN, but am open to it if it doesn't eventually. I think I now have a better handle of what to pay for these cars at this point. Thanks for all your help.
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Some great points posted by several above.
On the multiple owners thing, I can see the points on both sides but it's still a matter of context. Some collector cars get passed around rather often by careful owners who barely drive them - those cars might show a lot of owners, but it's not really a big deal in that situation nor should it have much impact on value once you're beyond that "original owner" status. For cars that live a more average life, lots of owners is probably a bigger deal as those owners usually get progressively younger as the car gets older (and cheaper), and that usually means more abuse/neglect/accelerated wear.
But ownership history is only part of the picture. The least reliable car I've probably ever owned was a one owner, garage kept, 70k mile car that was nine years old at the time. It ended up being a money pit with one problem after another; it's almost like the owner knew that the car was right on the edge of total failure...lol. Granted, this was about 23 years ago; cars from that era (it was an '86) didn't tend to last as long, and I've gained a ton of experience in the mean time so perhaps I missed some things back then that I would easily spot now. Ultimately, there's just no guaranty either way; used cars are always a gamble and you have to take all factors into account during evaluation.
On the multiple owners thing, I can see the points on both sides but it's still a matter of context. Some collector cars get passed around rather often by careful owners who barely drive them - those cars might show a lot of owners, but it's not really a big deal in that situation nor should it have much impact on value once you're beyond that "original owner" status. For cars that live a more average life, lots of owners is probably a bigger deal as those owners usually get progressively younger as the car gets older (and cheaper), and that usually means more abuse/neglect/accelerated wear.
But ownership history is only part of the picture. The least reliable car I've probably ever owned was a one owner, garage kept, 70k mile car that was nine years old at the time. It ended up being a money pit with one problem after another; it's almost like the owner knew that the car was right on the edge of total failure...lol. Granted, this was about 23 years ago; cars from that era (it was an '86) didn't tend to last as long, and I've gained a ton of experience in the mean time so perhaps I missed some things back then that I would easily spot now. Ultimately, there's just no guaranty either way; used cars are always a gamble and you have to take all factors into account during evaluation.
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^^^ Spot on and explained perfectly. It's always a gamble with buying any used car. I just like reducing the odds as much as possible. The more people pumping that clutch, the more I feel uncomfortable. It's like buying a one year old rental car. That market is loved by some as great deals, yet not even considered by others.
On the other hand, when I was in my 'Porsche' phase of life, I actually witnessed a 'new' air cooled 911 in a dealership shop in FL with 3,000 miles on it back in the 90's. Yes, 3,000 miles. I had to ask what happened to this 'new' car that had a 6 speed tranny. The mechanic told me the owner blew up the engine. Wow!
On the other hand, when I was in my 'Porsche' phase of life, I actually witnessed a 'new' air cooled 911 in a dealership shop in FL with 3,000 miles on it back in the 90's. Yes, 3,000 miles. I had to ask what happened to this 'new' car that had a 6 speed tranny. The mechanic told me the owner blew up the engine. Wow!