bidding on these rims
bidding on these rims These are going to fit very well....RIGHT?
I F***in hope so b/c im biding on them
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=43958
I F***in hope so b/c im biding on them
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=43958
If you have an F-body offsets for the fronts on a 9.5 is pretty large, they will tuck a good bit...not a bad thing, the rears aren't bad either. There may be a little bit of fitment issues with how far the rims come in, but nothing that isn't workable.
The most important part is this rim is completely not cut right for the bolt pattern. F-bodies and Vettes will have a 5x4.75 backspace, not 5x120mm. They may seem to fit though the lugs will not seat correctly due to the 60deg taper.
Don't buy them, hopefully you're outbit...or at least get out of the sale due to the lister presenting it as a rim that is manufactured to work on an F-body.
Hope this helps,
Steve
Pres.
The most important part is this rim is completely not cut right for the bolt pattern. F-bodies and Vettes will have a 5x4.75 backspace, not 5x120mm. They may seem to fit though the lugs will not seat correctly due to the 60deg taper.
Don't buy them, hopefully you're outbit...or at least get out of the sale due to the lister presenting it as a rim that is manufactured to work on an F-body.
Hope this helps,
Steve
Pres.
They will be fine. The 53 mm offset on the Z06 replicas is fairly new and a much better offset for our cars.
BTW stock offset on Camaro SS wheels is 56 mm on a 9" wide wheel.
BTW stock offset on Camaro SS wheels is 56 mm on a 9" wide wheel.
Originally Posted by steve10
5x4.75 backspace, 60deg taper?
I have never heard of the 60* taper before, but it should be the same on both cars.
There's no confusion about the bolt circle. They will bolt up fine. The offset is the only variable. I believe they will fit just fine. I would ask someone like Todd at Discount Tire Direct.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/member.php?u=7691
I also found some info in a sticky thread.
Z06 Corvette Replicas:
17"x9.5" +50 to +56 mm no problems. 275/40R17.
18"x9.5" +50 to +56 mm 275/35R18 or 285/35R18.
18"x10.5" +50 to +53 mm. Higher than 53 mm will require the BFH mod. 285/35R18s thru 315/30R18. Over 295 may require rolling the fenderlip and will need the BFH.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/member.php?u=7691
I also found some info in a sticky thread.
Z06 Corvette Replicas:
17"x9.5" +50 to +56 mm no problems. 275/40R17.
18"x9.5" +50 to +56 mm 275/35R18 or 285/35R18.
18"x10.5" +50 to +53 mm. Higher than 53 mm will require the BFH mod. 285/35R18s thru 315/30R18. Over 295 may require rolling the fenderlip and will need the BFH.
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I mis-typed my words...it is 5x4.75 bolt pattern not backspace and NO 5x120mm is NOT the same and will NOT bolt up the same.
The lug taper of the lugs (60 deg) will NOT seat correctly in the bolt pattern of that wheel.
I design rims...trust me, they are not the correct bolt pattern. They will bolt up, though NOT correctly. as the lugs will not seat correctly for the taper of the 5x120mm bolt pattern. Take my words with a grain of salt if you like, these are not just my professional opinions, they are facts.
The wheel may not seat correctly on the lugs, over time, the lugs will loosen and the wheel can/will fall off over time if not periodically checked.
Steve
Pres.
The lug taper of the lugs (60 deg) will NOT seat correctly in the bolt pattern of that wheel.
I design rims...trust me, they are not the correct bolt pattern. They will bolt up, though NOT correctly. as the lugs will not seat correctly for the taper of the 5x120mm bolt pattern. Take my words with a grain of salt if you like, these are not just my professional opinions, they are facts.
The wheel may not seat correctly on the lugs, over time, the lugs will loosen and the wheel can/will fall off over time if not periodically checked.
Steve
Pres.
Last edited by steve10; Sep 24, 2004 at 01:14 PM.
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Verdad Gallardo i followed your advice.. I ended up retracting my bid....because in past experience the metric system has never lined up correctly with the american standard system....
Thank you all very much for input and opinions
Thank you all very much for input and opinions
Originally Posted by steve10
I mis-typed my words...it is 5x4.75 bolt pattern not backspace and NO 5x120mm is NOT the same and will NOT bolt up the same.
The lug taper of the lugs (60 deg) will NOT seat correctly in the bolt pattern of that wheel.
I design rims...trust me, they are not the correct bolt pattern. They will bolt up, though NOT correctly. as the lugs will not seat correctly for the taper of the 5x120mm bolt pattern. Take my words with a grain of salt if you like, these are not just my professional opinions, they are facts.
The wheel may not seat correctly on the lugs, over time, the lugs will loosen and the wheel can/will fall off over time if not periodically checked.
Steve
Pres.
The lug taper of the lugs (60 deg) will NOT seat correctly in the bolt pattern of that wheel.
I design rims...trust me, they are not the correct bolt pattern. They will bolt up, though NOT correctly. as the lugs will not seat correctly for the taper of the 5x120mm bolt pattern. Take my words with a grain of salt if you like, these are not just my professional opinions, they are facts.
The wheel may not seat correctly on the lugs, over time, the lugs will loosen and the wheel can/will fall off over time if not periodically checked.
Steve
Pres.
TY, they are showing both the US and metric system for your convenience. That's all. I think maybe someone is confusing these with the BMW lug pattern which are very close but fractionally off. It is probably better off for you to retract your bid until your sure they will fit, though.
Many, many people are using the corvette and f-body rims interchangably with no problems. Why would GM screw themselves by making them differently?
Steve, if you are sure about this, can you please show the specifics of the 2 rims and how they are different?
Many, many people are using the corvette and f-body rims interchangably with no problems. Why would GM screw themselves by making them differently?
Steve, if you are sure about this, can you please show the specifics of the 2 rims and how they are different?
Originally Posted by JasonWW
TY, they are showing both the US and metric system for your convenience. That's all. I think maybe someone is confusing these with the BMW lug pattern which are very close but fractionally off. It is probably better off for you to retract your bid until your sure they will fit, though.
Many, many people are using the corvette and f-body rims interchangably with no problems. Why would GM screw themselves by making them differently?
Steve, if you are sure about this, can you please show the specifics of the 2 rims and how they are different?
Many, many people are using the corvette and f-body rims interchangably with no problems. Why would GM screw themselves by making them differently?
Steve, if you are sure about this, can you please show the specifics of the 2 rims and how they are different?
5x120 is what the GTO's and possible the BMW lug pattern (I'm dont' work with BMW stuff so I can't give you a difinative answer on that).
You and others are correct, 5x4.75 and 5x120 are fractionally different. Even though the differences are small not knowing what their confidence level and standard deviation of setups are...shouldn't make one assume they will fit correctly.
To clarify why a 5x120mm and 5x4.75 setup differs...I'll try to explain...the taper that is cut into the wheel holes are meant to mate with the tapered lug. This will only occur if the bolt pattern is the same. The studs will center in the rims holes while at that point the lugs 60 deg taper will seat correctly in the mating 60 deg tapered rim seat hole.
If the bolt pattern is off, the studs will not be able to center into each taperd hole. This will cause the lugs not to seat into each tapered hole on the wheel. If the lug does pull inside of the taper, it will only do so by deforming the studs...obviously not a safe setup...even so, it will not seat flush.
the bolt pattern would need to be 120.65 as mentioned to be equivalent to 4.75 inches
you know, I just looked on ebay again...did he change the bolt pattern description???
It looks like they are now listed as 120.65mm... as I just mentioned, it did seem funny that if they were made to be take-offs for corvettes, they should be made to fit the car. Either he changed it, or I completely missed the .65 portion of it.
If I missed the .65, I sincerely appologize for creating confusion to you or others.
Steve
It looks like they are now listed as 120.65mm... as I just mentioned, it did seem funny that if they were made to be take-offs for corvettes, they should be made to fit the car. Either he changed it, or I completely missed the .65 portion of it.
If I missed the .65, I sincerely appologize for creating confusion to you or others.
Steve
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WHAT THEY WILL FIT: These great looking CHROME Z06 style wheels will fit the 1988-2003 Corvette. They will also fit 1993 through 2003 Camaro, Firebird or Trans Am.
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I recall you can't run different circumference wheels on f bodies like you can on vettes because of the brakes (or something to do with the brakes and abs).
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...+circumference
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...+circumference
Originally Posted by steve10
If the bolt pattern is off, the studs will not be able to center into each taperd hole. This will cause the lugs not to seat into each tapered hole on the wheel. If the lug does pull inside of the taper, it will only do so by deforming the studs...obviously not a safe setup...even so, it will not seat flush.
) Anyway, when people use those on an F-body, they fit but the nuts are not seating flush, so they have a bad habit of loosening up. But that's BMW rims, not the ones we were talking about.
Originally Posted by dlandsvZ28
I recall you can't run different circumference wheels on f bodies like you can on vettes because of the brakes (or something to do with the brakes and abs).
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...+circumference
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...+circumference
Personnaly, I don't like the look of different height tires. The wheel well arches of the vette are sized for them, but not the f-body. It is a good price for those rims, though.
Even though the bidding was retracted, I'll try to clear this up since I may have made a bit of confusion for some. Not to mention future readers.
My initial responses stated fitment issues as I recalled seeing it on Ebay at 5x120mm NOT 120.65mm. I don't know if it was changed, or if I just mis-read the .65 at the end.
As stated previously, 120.65mm IS the same dimensionally as 4.75". This means the bolt pattern is correct for an F-body or Corvette.
Regarding ABS issues, rim size doesn't affect ABS. The issue is that the overall tire sizes are similar from front to rear.
Hope this clears things up.
Steve
My initial responses stated fitment issues as I recalled seeing it on Ebay at 5x120mm NOT 120.65mm. I don't know if it was changed, or if I just mis-read the .65 at the end.
As stated previously, 120.65mm IS the same dimensionally as 4.75". This means the bolt pattern is correct for an F-body or Corvette.
Regarding ABS issues, rim size doesn't affect ABS. The issue is that the overall tire sizes are similar from front to rear.
Hope this clears things up.
Steve