f-bodman

Sounded like you were saying they were copies to me, must have misunderstood, it's all good.

SS LS1

This is John's car and I know for a fact that it has 18" Cargers on it as I was on Power Tour with him the last 2 years and there when the car was delivered to him at Berger in 2003. John had a rubbng problem because he wanted the sticky GoodYear F1 Supercar tires on the car and they were only available in a 40 series tires at the time (2003) which makes the tire much bigger in the OD. Something like 1.5" tall over stock height......... too much IMO and would likely not rub with a 35 series tire.

Bones SS

So whats the difference between the 230 and 610? The Cragar website only lists the 610?

1BadMoFo

iTrader: (1)

my rims look exactly like that....

LS1[CHEVY]

Im just trying to find a place that sells either the 17 or 18 in chrome with the BIG lip .. Can someone point me in the right direction ???

LS1[CHEVY]

BREAKING NEWS!!! I think i found them Can someone please verify for me ?

http://customwheelsmarket.com/c230892.html

If this is the correct ones , can you tell me if 18 x 9 front and rear will be ok on my car with no rubbing problem??

im so excited !!!! I want to order them so bad Please help me get my fix

ReaperSS

iTrader: (1)

No the reason i said or whatever is because there are so many diffrent companies that make that design of rim.




now here are 2 pics of cragar SS's one is the one which was posted and that they sell and the other is the one's on the ZL1 cars. One has 2 steps and a little flat peice exactly like the bullet rim. The one which was copied from the yellow ZL1 car has one step and then a big flat peice too the spokes.

ReaperSS

iTrader: (1)

those are the ones with the big flat Lip 18x9 will be fine run a 275/35/18

LS1[CHEVY]

I love you man Thanks for getting me straight .. Im going to order them right now !!!!!

ReaperSS

iTrader: (1)

Thats cool man i got confused with you saying that the red Z28 had the same rims as the one's you posted earlier. I was just trying to say they are diffrent rims and got caught up thinking you were saying they are the exact same.

f-bodman

I see, sorry I meant they were the same as the ZL1 ones, I didn't realize the ones I posted were the 610's.

I better take that one down before someone orders them, lol.

02_Phase2_ZL1

Hmmm...............let me step in and help sort this out.

I THINK for the most part, all the Hot Rod Magazine Camaros have the actual 17X9 Cragar S/S rims. Again, I THINK for the most part, all the ZL1's have the 18X9 BULLET rims.

There really isn't much difference. At my shop we have sold both the Cragar S/S rims and the BULLET rims. They are both nice and there is actually very little difference between them.

I have not had one person yet look at my ZL1 and say, "Oh, you have BULLET rims and not Cragar S/S rims". Everyone who looks at it says, "Cool, you have Cragar S/S rims".

If anyone is interested in either the 17X9 BULLET rims or the 18X9 BULLET rims in a +.36 offset, I have access to them.

Just shoot me a private message and we can go from there.

Here are some pics. The Onyx Black SS we installed the 17X9 one piece chrome aluminum BULLET rims on 3/2/05 and the red SS coupe we installed the same wheels on it the next day, 3/3/05.

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...f3cdac23231e2a

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...f3cdac23231e2a

Here is a photo of my '02 Phase II ZL1 with the 18X9 BULLET wheels

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...f3cdac23231e2a

And finally, here is a friend of mines 1999 Hugger Orange Z/28 with the 18X9 BULLET wheels that we installed on it a month or so ago.

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...f3cdac23231e2a

Bones SS

I'm trying to figure this out. 1BadMoFo says he has Cragar SS 230's on his car. How are they different then the Bullet or SS 610's? From the photos it looks like the 610's and Bullets have a step where as the 230's don't? Is that the difference? It also looks like the 230's have a larger lip? It's so hard to tell because all the pics are at different angles.

LS1[CHEVY]: Did you order the Cragars yet? Are they the 230's like you wanted? It seems strange that I can't find any info on the 230's or anyone selling them besides customwheelsmarket.

02_Phase2_ZL1

The Cragar S/S 230's and 610's are like you noted above, smooth with a larger lip and only have one step down where the BULLET wheel has a shorter smooth area and then has two steps down.

The 230's and the 610's are wheels manufactured under the Cragar license I believe. The 230's sold by Custom Wheels Market are the wheel that I also believe has been discontinued. I called Custom Wheels Market a little while ago and they only have one set of 18X9's in stock. I asked him why, and he told me "because they are hard to find". That was the right answer. I looked for a couple of months trying to come up with these wheels for a couple of my customers and no one had them in the correct offset for a lowered car. The guy at Custom Wheels Market told me the set he had in stock had a +.32 offset which would be correct for a lowered F-Body.

The 610's are sold by The Wheel Group and I have spoken to them several times and each time they have told me that their SS 610 in either a 17X9 or 18X9 configuration had a +.24 offset and they did not plan on offering it in any other offset.

I have a set of 17X9 230's in my shop right now that will be going on a 2000 Camaro Z/28 next month (because he is currently having his car repainted). This was the last set I was able to find a couple of months ago.

Because of the lack of availability of the Cragar S/S 230 in the +.30 offset in the 17X9 sizing and +.32 in the 18X9 and the S/S 610 only being manufactured in the +.24 offset, I have switched to the BULLET wheel. It is a one piece chrome aluminum wheel in a +.36 offset in either a 17X9 or 18X9 sizing. I, together with Matt Murphy of GMMG, Inc., teamed up to have a LIMITED number of these reproduced.

I installed two sets of the 17X9's last week. One set went on a black 1999 Camaro SS convertible and the other set went on a red 2000 Camaro SS coupe. Below are the photographs.

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...a8bda4db8379b6

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...a8bda4db8379b6

I installed this set of 18X9 BULLET wheels of a friend of mines 1999 Hugger Orange Z/28 a month or so ago. Before this he had 17X9 Cragar S/S 230's. He certainly didn't care about any difference between them. Both sets of wheels he purchased from me. The first photo below is the 18X9 BULLET wheels and the second one is the 17X9 Cragar S/S 230's.

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...a8bda4db8379b6

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...a8bda4db8379b6

And finally, I have the 18X9 BULLET wheels on my '02 Phase II ZL1 that came on it new after it (and all the other ZL1 Supercars) was modified by GMMG, Inc. in Marietta, GA.

http://12.216.128.145/camaroclub/php...a8bda4db8379b6

Bones SS

Thanks, that helps clear things up. But now, I have a few questions about the Bullets, if you don't mind? The Cragars seem to be pretty deep with a nice fat lip. I know the lip on the Bullets have a step but are they deep like the Cragars? I'm also wondering what type of center cap the Bullets have? And last, do you know how much the 17x9's weigh? Sorry for all the questions, it's just so hard to see in the pics and I can't find spec's on any of the wheels.

f-bodman

Great explaination 02_Phase2_ZL1. Unless your obsessed like us F-body fanatics I doubt you would notice the difference between the two.

LS1[CHEVY]

Bones SS : i did a google search from cragar 230 SS wheels which gave me this link . Cragar 230 SS


I did not order them yet . I will be ordering them tomorrow when I get paid . Heres what im getting

Wheels

4 Cragar SS wheels / rims 18x9" Chrome
Vehicle applications: Chevrolet Camaro 1993-up (5x4.75in / Zero offset / 12x1.5 Lug-nut / 70.30mm Bore)

Tires

4 Pirelli PIRELLI PZERO NERO M+S B
P275/35ZR-18 95W B


I hope all this is correct .. Thanks to everyone who helped this post

LS1[CHEVY]

Im actully a bit concerned about it saying Zero Offest when I select 93 and up camaro from the drop down list at that site.. Is this the right offset? I think im confused about that.

02_Phase2_ZL1

Hmmmm................I hope your Camaro isn't lowered or you have no plans of lowering it as with a zero offset..........you certainly will have problems.

I know that from calling Custom Wheels Market earlier today, they did have one and only one set of 18X9 Series 230 wheels in the +.32 offset. If your Camaro is lowered or you think that you might lower it someday, I would recommend purchasing that set rather than the other set with the zero offset.

Anyway, whatever your decision, good luck and I hope that they are everything you are expecting ! ! !

LS1[CHEVY]

What is offset? This confuses me ... I just picked the 93 and up camaro from the drop down list on their site.. It seems thats the only one they offer when ordering from the website.. Im totally confused again :/