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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 11:19 AM
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Ok so first off my girlfriend bought me some pioneer speakers, i know there not that great. but when i installed them in my 00 camaro ss i took the 4 wires coming off the stock speaker and put the 2 wires with the black stripe together and connected them to the side of the wires that came with the set that had a black stripe. the wires were different lengths and i just cut them to the same lenghts. i think that was a mistake. now they crackel like there sparking but i checked and the arnt, what do i do? i can buy the connector that plugs in. or does anyone have any pictures of how the wires are susposed to be .

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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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Just connect one pair or the other - don't connect both pairs of wires. The original speakers were separate components (that's why there's two pairs of wires) but your replacements are just ordinary coax.
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 12:01 PM
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one set of wires from the harness goes to the tweeters and the other to the mid woofer.
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by shouldaboughttheZ
one set of wires from the harness goes to the tweeters and the other to the mid woofer.
yea as the previous two said...

If you don't want to mess with wiring, try one pair or the other and use whatever sounds better (the woofer pair might get more power?) -- otherwise, to use all 4 you would have to modify the coax a little, which usually is good to avoid IMO....but you said they are cheaper speakers, so why not.
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteBird00
Just connect one pair or the other - don't connect both pairs of wires. The original speakers were separate components (that's why there's two pairs of wires) but your replacements are just ordinary coax.
But neither wire pair is full-range, right? Or is the "crossover" in the Monsoon amp the same as a coax speaker - a capacitor in series with the tweeter? In that case, you can use only the woofer wire, but if there is a real crossover, then you not only have to use both wires, you have to bypass either the crossover in the Monsoon or the crossover in your speaker (otherwise, you'll screw up the response majorly -- actually, you'll still screw it up if you use just the Monsoon crossover, but not as bad).
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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But neither wire pair is full-range, right? Or is the "crossover" in the Monsoon amp the same as a coax speaker - a capacitor in series with the tweeter? In that case, you can use only the woofer wire, but if there is a real crossover, then you not only have to use both wires, you have to bypass either the crossover in the Monsoon or the crossover in your speaker (otherwise, you'll screw up the response majorly -- actually, you'll still screw it up if you use just the Monsoon crossover, but not as bad).
From what I understand, only the sail woofers have the LPF in the amp itself. As you said, the capacitor is at the tweeter itself. This confused me for some time too because so many people have said that replacing them with (EDIT component separates is perfect because the signals are already filtered and you don't need the crossover.....but that isn't true, so I don't know what they've been doing.

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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 02:16 PM
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That would make it much easier.

I have yet to work on audio on my car yet. I'm trying to gather my components first, and I haven't even figured out all the stuff I'm using yet.
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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thanks i am going to take the door panel off again and tackle this tonight. yea. As far as the static a professional listened to it and said that it was shorting out. so i am going to tape up the ends as well. thanks again for the help. u guys rock
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Originally Posted by fredmr39
From what I understand, only the sail woofers have the LPF in the amp itself. As you said, the capacitor is at the tweeter itself. This confused me for some time too because so many people have said that replacing them with coax speakers is perfect because the signals are already filtered and you don't need the crossover.....but that isn't true, so I don't know what they've been doing.
You are correct - the door speakers get full-range signal from the amp and there is a simple high pass filter inline at the tweeter. However, replacing them with coax is perfect not because the signal is filtered but precisely because the signal is not filtered. Coax speakers are designed to run off a full-range signal (unlike components) so either pair of wires work fine.
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Originally Posted by WhiteBird00
You are correct - the door speakers get full-range signal from the amp and there is a simple high pass filter inline at the tweeter. However, replacing them with coax is perfect not because the signal is filtered but precisely because the signal is not filtered. Coax speakers are designed to run off a full-range signal (unlike components) so either pair of wires work fine.
Sorry, typo - that should have been "component" not coax as you may have thought, since the rest of my sentence makes no sense then....
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 05:15 PM
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got it figured out... i can finally listen to the music with the fade in the middle. yes thanks again.
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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteBird00
You are correct - the door speakers get full-range signal from the amp and there is a simple high pass filter inline at the tweeter. However, replacing them with coax is perfect not because the signal is filtered but precisely because the signal is not filtered. Coax speakers are designed to run off a full-range signal (unlike components) so either pair of wires work fine.
So, only the sail speakers have LPF's? Or are there none in the Camaro system at all?

Are the door woofers full range in the T/A setup?
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So, only the sail speakers have LPF's? Or are there none in the Camaro system at all?

Are the door woofers full range in the T/A setup?
Only the sail panels have a filter builtin to the amp. The woofers and mids all receive full-range signal, the tweeters (doors only in Camaro, doors and hatch in Firebird) have high pass filters at the speakers.
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 02:41 AM
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Haha yes, now its finally all starting to make sense!
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