headlight foglight question, idea?
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headlight foglight question, idea? 2000 ws6
i want to keep my pop-up leadlights down and try to find something else to put in place of the foglights that would work for lowbeams... like a motorcycle reflector/headlamp or something... or some other small round headlight setup from a different car. or maybe just angle up the foglights? i havent really taken a hard look at anything yet to see what might work, anyone have ideas?
and no i do not want to do a conversion to non-pop-up, i hate the look of camaro/new corvette like headlights on a trans am... i want my car to stay BLACK EVERYWHERE, no plastic/glass showing up on the hood etc...
i want to keep my pop-up leadlights down and try to find something else to put in place of the foglights that would work for lowbeams... like a motorcycle reflector/headlamp or something... or some other small round headlight setup from a different car. or maybe just angle up the foglights? i havent really taken a hard look at anything yet to see what might work, anyone have ideas?
and no i do not want to do a conversion to non-pop-up, i hate the look of camaro/new corvette like headlights on a trans am... i want my car to stay BLACK EVERYWHERE, no plastic/glass showing up on the hood etc...
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First of all...why? It doesn't look cool enough to use headlights? 
The fog light housings are smaller than any headlight I've ever seen that would be street legal. I believe they're only 4-inch diameter - even motorcycle headlights are 6-inch or larger (at least the round ones are). There are halogen fog light kits you can get that fit the opening and are much brighter than stock but they have the wrong beam pattern for use as a headlight.
Besides, unless you just plan to use this only for shows, you will get pulled over a lot for improper use of lights (at least you would around here) regardless of whether you upgrade the lighting or not - the LEOs don't know that you've put any work into it and there are very specific regulations on lighting. For example, headlights are required to be mounted at least 24" above the roadway (which the fog lights aren't) and headlights must have both low beams and high beams that illuminate 150' and 450' respectively.
There is an exception that allows operation of a vehicle at night with front lighting that doesn't meet the requirements so long as the vehicle doesn't exceed 20mph.
And then you can't wait more than a half-hour for an answer?
The fog light housings are smaller than any headlight I've ever seen that would be street legal. I believe they're only 4-inch diameter - even motorcycle headlights are 6-inch or larger (at least the round ones are). There are halogen fog light kits you can get that fit the opening and are much brighter than stock but they have the wrong beam pattern for use as a headlight.
Besides, unless you just plan to use this only for shows, you will get pulled over a lot for improper use of lights (at least you would around here) regardless of whether you upgrade the lighting or not - the LEOs don't know that you've put any work into it and there are very specific regulations on lighting. For example, headlights are required to be mounted at least 24" above the roadway (which the fog lights aren't) and headlights must have both low beams and high beams that illuminate 150' and 450' respectively.
There is an exception that allows operation of a vehicle at night with front lighting that doesn't meet the requirements so long as the vehicle doesn't exceed 20mph.
And then you can't wait more than a half-hour for an answer?
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why? because it's my preference. 
have you ever seen a sportbike? 
somehow i doubt a cop is going to be inspecting my headlights as i drive past him... as long as they light up the road in a usable manner
have you ever seen a sportbike? somehow i doubt a cop is going to be inspecting my headlights as i drive past him... as long as they light up the road in a usable manner
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Originally Posted by squirts1
why? because it's my preference. have you ever seen a sportbike?
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Originally Posted by squirts1
somehow i doubt a cop is going to be inspecting my headlights as i drive past him... as long as they light up the road in a usable manner
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well im not going to argue with you about it... not all sportbike lights are built into a housing like the factory suzuki gsxr, yamaha R1,r6, etc... and obviously it will take modification... regardless, the light housings are not built into the fairing on sportbikes, they are separate and sit behind the nose fairing.
if you've been riding that long then you havent been in the sportbike world old man. go hop back on your chief and ride off into the sunset.
and as for cops, well i just dont care and im not worried about that. thats what i want to do with my car... i dont know why you have such a strong objection to an idea and a question, but get over it buddy. if you dont have anything productive to say then dont post.
if you've been riding that long then you havent been in the sportbike world old man. go hop back on your chief and ride off into the sunset.
and as for cops, well i just dont care and im not worried about that. thats what i want to do with my car... i dont know why you have such a strong objection to an idea and a question, but get over it buddy. if you dont have anything productive to say then dont post.
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I'll admit that I'm more familiar with Honda products since I worked for them for over 10 years and have both an ST1300 and a Gold Wing (surprised that an experienced rider might like something besides an American cruiser?) However, none of the Honda sportbikes have a headlight you could use. The only round ones are on the 599 and the 919 and they're both much larger than the fog light opening in the T/A clip. From what I've seen the other manufacturers are similar but I may have missed something.
You might find something in an ATV headlight. Again, the Honda models use headlights that wouldn't fit but other makes might have something usable.
Now, I have been giving you useful information in addition to my comments about the stupidity of such a modification. If you don't like the comments don't ask the question. And certainly don't go telling a moderator when he should post - that's not a good thing for a noob to do
You might find something in an ATV headlight. Again, the Honda models use headlights that wouldn't fit but other makes might have something usable.
Now, I have been giving you useful information in addition to my comments about the stupidity of such a modification. If you don't like the comments don't ask the question. And certainly don't go telling a moderator when he should post - that's not a good thing for a noob to do
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Originally Posted by squirts1
definitely not surprised by a goldwing...
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Projectors. You can use H11 or 9006 bulbs which are standard halogen 65w bulbs, but with projectors you will be able to aim and control the light output - they are excellent. I am running H11's in my normal headlight positions in the pop ups. Some cars and SUVs are built with projector fogs, or something like them. My wife's X5 has fogs with a really great cutoff - I think they are projectors, and if they hadn't sissed out on the bulbs from the factory, you very well could run just those.
I believe your only trick will be findind a housing comparable to the TA fog housing. I have 90mm projectors, which look small compared to the TA fog, but they are bright as hell.
I believe your only trick will be findind a housing comparable to the TA fog housing. I have 90mm projectors, which look small compared to the TA fog, but they are bright as hell.
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actually found some 6 inch round housings that have low and high beams... i'll have to measure the diameter this weekend i guess... i know the stock foglight housing is set WAY inside that hole and the hole gets bigger as it opens...
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it's not like I'm going to be traveling around with my fog/headlight or anything... just something to play with.
he DID actually start the so called "insults" but it doesn't matter over and done with.
and I'm not the type to back down just because someone has some sort of power over me. you see... im not a *****.
he DID actually start the so called "insults" but it doesn't matter over and done with. and I'm not the type to back down just because someone has some sort of power over me. you see... im not a *****.
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From: Jacksonville, FL (originally from Toronto Canada)
Originally Posted by squirts1
actually found some 6 inch round housings that have low and high beams... i'll have to measure the diameter this weekend i guess... i know the stock foglight housing is set WAY inside that hole and the hole gets bigger as it opens...
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i dont care enough about trying to do this to really get into it and start cutting on stuff, was just curious...
yeah, they probably wont work if that thing is only 4 inches... the front of that hole though has to be an inch or so larger than the back, but i guess it wouldnt be too smart to try mounting **** to the front of the hole and jack up my paint. those projector type light reflectors are really small though
yeah, they probably wont work if that thing is only 4 inches... the front of that hole though has to be an inch or so larger than the back, but i guess it wouldnt be too smart to try mounting **** to the front of the hole and jack up my paint. those projector type light reflectors are really small though