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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 11:02 AM
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Default 417 rwhp/425 rwtq N/A LS1 with stock cam!

For a long time I wanted to gain more over the usual bolt ons, but I totally sure on how to go about doing this, so I gave the guys at AI a call. I’ve known the guys at AI since my LT days and we were talking about a head/cam package. The things I wanted to focus on with my car was getting the most power without the usual trade off's. I didnt want to worry about spring longevity or any of that mess because I drive nearly 30K miles a year in this car. Basically, I wanted it to drive just like stock, but just with more power. It was decided that we try out a set of their CNC 241 castings with the stock cam just to see how it does, as there's not a lot of people out there doing this.


The results are surprising. Without a lot tuning the car gained 30rwhp/30rwtq. On 3 different dynos around here it made 395-401lbft and 386-390rwhp sae. After making that much, I hoped it was possible to make 400 rwhp. So I added some 1.85 rockers. Our local shop just installed the new eddy current dynojet so I went over there to see what the car was putting down and to do some touching up on the tune if needed. The first pull the car was way fat (rockers changed it?) and went 386rwhp. We started leaning it out from 11’s AF to high 12-13AF and it just kept making more power. The stock cam is making it fall off, but the torque curve is unbelievable for the low rpm it turns. And being nearly 2 tons in weight with a stock gear, my car needs all the help it can get getting motivated and moving. I can report that this thing drives totally stock, sounds totally stock (untill I nail the throttle!) and still pulls off 30 mpg. We totally acheived my goal....and then some!

So here's the results. On the graph you'll see 4 pulls. The 360 rwhp pull is what I did with just bolt on's. The 2nd pull is where we got the car to make 407, but after a few pulls it seemed the MAF was really wanting to work with us, so we tried a speed density tune where we were able to pick it up to 417 rwhp. The last pull is without the belt on which is the way I run it at the track....it put down 429 rwhp/430 rwtq! I was totally amazed.

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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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Those are some DAMN good numbers. So good that they make me raise a eyebrow and want to question them. Especially the torque. Cool setup though!
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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and you have IRS too? no fast 90/90? At first i thought it was a F body but gto!!!
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 12:10 PM
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[QUOTE=GreenbeanZ28;10642620]The last pull is without the belt on which is the way I run it at the track....it put down 429 rwhp/430 rwtq! I was totally amazed.QUOTE]

Wait...you daily drive it and chance running it with no current and no water circulations at the track? My friend you are ballsier then i am.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 01:03 PM
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wow those are better numbers then my full bolt on MS3. lol
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 01:06 PM
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Pitbul its got a fast 90/90 (unported), it had that when I had just bolt on's on the 360 rwhp dyno pull in the graph, still has an IRS (and 19's on the back!). BadsSS I do have a Mezarie, it netted next to nothing by itself (loss of power the next day, then picked up 2 rwhp on a different dyno a few weeks later.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 01:15 PM
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WOW, thats about all I can say! Not too sure what to make of this.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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Pretty damn impressive, those guys at Ai sure know what they are doing.

These results makes me wonder why the hell I'm still modding my LT1.
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NICE!!!
Imagine what some AFR205s, FAST setup, and regular ole LS6 cam would do...

What exhaust do you have?
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Originally Posted by jmilz28
NICE!!!
Imagine what some AFR205s, FAST setup, and regular ole LS6 cam would do...

What exhaust do you have?
Im sure soneone has done the LS6 cam and nice AFR's.........
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jmilz28
NICE!!!
Imagine what some AFR205s, FAST setup, and regular ole LS6 cam would do...

What exhaust do you have?
Kook's 1 3/4 LT's, catless mids and bassani catback. Trust me, I've thought about running an LS6 cam or the GT2-3 cam.

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do you have any vids of your car?
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 02:35 PM
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I have one shitty one from the track with just bolt on's, and I'll say I'm sorry but I didnt film it. Just skip until like 25 second from the end

12.19 pass
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 02:43 PM
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on the tq ...on ave M6's have less tq than hp ... but congrats !
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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Great numbers, but like all I'm wondering just how accurate they actually are. Not too say your lying, but I know older dynojet's read much lower than the newer dyno's. I think you found a nice, high-output dyno. Get that goat to the track and post some numbers.

Again, not bashing you. Very impressive numbers.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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so you jumped from 417 to 429 with just removing the belt?


how good of an idea is this at the track...
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ndfrsd6
on the tq ...on ave M6's have less tq than hp ... but congrats !
Mod for Mod, mine's always made more torque, sometimes by just a smidge

Originally Posted by dankl
Great numbers, but like all I'm wondering just how accurate they actually are. Not too say your lying, but I know older dynojet's read much lower than the newer dyno's. I think you found a nice, high-output dyno. Get that goat to the track and post some numbers.

Again, not bashing you. Very impressive numbers.

Number's were put down on a new Dynojet 224XLC with a load current option (it was turned off). Here's a graph with the heads and before the rockers on another dynojet 248X (Stable Dyno) vs the first pull with the current setup but running waaay rich (JR dyno). hey, I dont think you're bashing, I wouldnt have believe it myself either!



Originally Posted by lemons12
so you jumped from 417 to 429 with just removing the belt?


how good of an idea is this at the track...
Stolen straight from the LT1 rulebook!
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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What size motor is this?
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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Stock Ls1.
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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I am impressed man !!
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