Italiano99

Is a stall necessary with a cam upgrade? I am plannin on a TR224/224 but I have a DD and gas milage means a lot to me. Any opinions?

TTU98SS

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get a 4k stall before you do a cam swap. you wont regret it

PREDATOR-Z

Agreed stall before or together with a cam (since you have to do some tuning anyways)

Italiano99

I was thinkin somewhere in the range of 3200 to 3500, what do ya think?

ls1mongrel

iTrader: (32)

Need a stall to keep the new cam in power range !

PREDATOR-Z

VIG 3200 will be a nice one.

Italiano99

will a stall mess with my gas milage more than a cam? (224/224)

BriancWS6

iTrader: (18)

Agreed. I had a auto before my current m6 car and I ran a TCI SSF3500 as a bolt on car before I added the TSP 225. There is just NO comparison to a stock stalled auto vs a good 3500+ stalled one. It is just night and day!

Stalls are like cams as well. You get this size and you find yourself wanting more before long. I wouldn't get anything any smaller than a Vig 3200....they are actually higher than that, more like 3500-3800, or a TCI SSF3500, or an equivilent Yank converter. ****, there are alot of companys out there now since I have been out of the a4 game, Fuddle is one of them. Just do some research and take the advice of the veterans on here...we won't steer you wrong.

PREDATOR-Z

A little, but with the right tuning it is not that much. When I had a Stealth II cam and my VIG, gas mileage was better than stock.

BriancWS6

iTrader: (18)

I still got 23 mpg running 90 on the parkway with my 3500 and 225/225 cam. It's all how you drive it. If you do alot of highway driving then the stall won't make much of a difference because it will be locked up. In town driving is what will suffer and how much depends on your foot....cause the stall just makes it so much more fun to drive.

Italiano99

well Ill be doing a lot of city driving, stop and go, so what would you recomend? 3200 or 3500? P.S. what is VIG, ive only heard of yank and TCI... sorry, haven't studied this area too much.

Patrick G

iTrader: (14)

VIG is short for Vigilante which is the trademarked name Precision Industries has for their GM converters. They're good ones. A Vigilante 3200 stalls around 3800 in a bolt-on LS1. My personal favorite for a street strip warrier is the Yank Super Stock 3600. It too would be a good one for your application.

Azrael

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If it is one or the other I would definately recommend the Torque Converter before the Cam. It will be a night and day difference, and you will get rid of those pesky "dead spots" where the car just seems to take forever to pull (35-40mph, etc). Also a TR224 isn't too bad but some tuners will set your idle higher to keep the car from stalling, and with the stock converter the car will have a tendency to pull against your brakes at a stop.

We have a Fuddle 3400/2.2str and love it.

Italiano99

so what would you guys say the difference is between for instance; yank 3600, fuddle 3400 or the Vig 3200? What would the advantage/disadvantage of them be?

Italiano99

ps. what do you think would work best with my sig

Azrael

iTrader: (10)

Any of the above manufacturers with a 3400-3800 stall. Based on how tight or "loose" you want your car to be. The larger the stall the higher the rpm to get the car moving, which could mean the lower the gas mileage in city driving. Our SS is my daily driver to and from work, but most of that is on the freeway.

Our cam has a different range than yours, but I like how it behaves with the 3400 stall. Most manufacturers will be happy to suggest their opinion on the stall you would be happy with in your car. I know that the Fuddle Racing Converters stall their rated rpm in cars around 400 hp, and a little sooner with less. Our car just plain books (hauls rear) from a stop or from a roll, and it is a totally night and day difference with the converter, than stock. We did our converter right after the cam, and the car definately behaves better with the converter. Remember, that our auto cars idle "in gear" with the drivetrain "loaded" from the converter, so the car needs to be tuned with a Cam to even keep the car running consistantly.

The converter will give you the best bang for the buck and pave the way for a Cam. Keep in mind which direction you want to take your car. Ours is a DD, with occasional track duty (for fun), so we went a little smaller on the converter to keep its daily driving manners a little tighter.

Roarin_8

iTrader: (5)

Stall first, cam after. If you get a cam first, the car will fight you when you are trying to stop.