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Old 11-26-2012, 10:04 AM
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Default Edmunds Rumor - Grand National, GNX and T-Type Are Returning to Buick



By Scott Oldham, Editor in Chief | Published Nov 26, 2012

Just the Facts:
  • Buick is planning to reintroduce the Grand National, T-Type and GNX nameplates.
  • The new models will ride on GM's rear-wheel-drive Alpha platform introduced in the Cadillac ATS sedan.
  • The Grand National and T-Type models will likely use turbocharged V6s, while the GNX will most likely get GM's new LT1 V8.
SANTA MONICA, California — Buick is bringing back the Grand National, the GNX and the T-Type, three legendary performance nameplates from the brand's high times of the 1980s. All three cars will be sedans and they'll use GM's new rear-wheel-drive Alpha platform first introduced in the Cadillac ATS sedan.

That's the plan anyway, according to a reliable source who spoke to Edmunds.

As in the 1980s, the T-Type and Grand National will share powertrains and suspension calibrations, but the T-Type will be offered in a full color palette, while the GN will come in black only. Details on the exact drivetrain that will be used are still hard to come by at this point.

Buick's current turbocharged 2.0-liter has the right vibe but lacks the muscle, and the normally aspirated V6 has the guts but just doesn't feel right for these nameplates. A more likely scenario is the use of GM's long-rumored, and recently spotted, twin-turbocharged 3.6-liter V6. It's expected to produce between 350 and 400 horsepower, which would be more than enough power in a bad black Buick with a Grand National badge.

So what's left for the legendary GNX nameplate? How about GM's new LT1 V8? We've already confirmed that a V8 will fit in the confines of the Alpha platform, so it's not an issue of "if" it can be done, but one of "how" it will be done.

With a V-Series version of the Cadillac ATS almost certainly in the pipeline, a Buick version with a slightly less powerful V8 could be the ticket for the GNX. A six-speed manual transmission and six-speed automatic could be available in all three sedans.

Buick will also make changes to the sedan's interior and exterior to bring it into the Buick family. The size of the sedan should remain unchanged, however, (the Cadillac ATS is exactly the same size as a BMW 3 Series) and all of its subsystems such as steering, brakes and suspension will be shared with the ATS.

For those born after the Reagan administration, the Buick Regal T-Type, Grand National and GNX were essentially the quickest cars you could buy in 1986 and '87. They were powered by turbocharged versions of Buick's 3.8-liter V6 and they instantly became legends on the street and on every drag strip in America. Today these Buicks are highly valued collector cars, with prices topping out at $100,000 for one of the 547 GNXs that GM built in 1987.

One of those GNXs used to belong to Mark Reuss, the current president of General Motors North America. In fact, his dad, Lloyd Reuss, approved the original GNX when he was executive vice president of General Motors North America in the '80s. Needless to say, there's plenty of enthusiasm at the very top of General Motors for a return of these storied nameplates.

That enthusiasm can't work miracles, however, so we'll have to wait at least another year before this crop of performance Buicks even gets a mention in public. Figure the 2014 Detroit Auto Show is a good bet.

Edmunds says: Just when we think GM has settled back into stupid mode Reuss and the gang get smart. We can't wait to drive these new Buicks. Make ours, and everyone else's, black.

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If the do a ttv6 with awd they might just sell me a car.
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Great news. Id love an AWD variation myself but I think the only way we'll see that is in a ATS-V if at all.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
If the do a ttv6 with awd they might just sell me a car.
they are designing a TTV6..
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my god, they are killing me.
Grand national and GNX are SINGLE turbos. NO need for twins. im a big single man. that twin stuff is for the 80-90's. BB billet 58-65mm will do it. there is no lag with a well designed single.
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Originally Posted by assasinator
my god, they are killing me.
Grand national and GNX are SINGLE turbos. NO need for twins. im a big single man. that twin stuff is for the 80-90's. BB billet 58-65mm will do it. there is no lag with a well designed single.
That's your biggest complaint? Twins instead of a single? That seems a little petty.
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Originally Posted by trishield
  • the new models will ride on gm's rear-wheel-drive alpha platform introduced in the cadillac ats sedan.
  • the grand national and t-type models will likely use turbocharged v6s, while the gnx will most likely get gm's new lt1 v8.
yes yes yes yes yes!
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LT1, 6-speed manual, and RWD would get me in the door. Pricing is what would get me to sign.
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GNX will come in any color you want....as long as it's BLACK!!
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Can't wait to see how GM will **** this up...
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So will these name plates be on the current Regal design? Or will Grand National become a model rather than a trim?

I'd love to see a 350-400hp Turbo V6 RWD buick hit showrooms...but not as a 4,000lb family sedan...
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Originally Posted by fspeedster
Can't wait to see how GM will **** this up...
lol sad but probably true...
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Looks like it could be a winner.
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needs to have a coupe version.
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typical GM.

Dream up a great idea, then ruin it worse than anyone else in the world could have and proclaim it as gold.
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Originally Posted by Tainted
typical GM.

Dream up a great idea, then ruin it worse than anyone else in the world could have and proclaim it as gold.
How have they ruined it? Did you read the link at all?
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Lol, I love how many people are complaining they ruined it when it isn't even out yet. How dare they reuse names!
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Some on this site are absolute morons. They jump up and down and rant about how horrible some of the new vehicles before they are in production or they have a clue as to what the vehicle is capable of, others nearly have a stroke because they used the name of a previous GM model.
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I look at it like this: Why ruin a legendary name that's sacred among car enthusiasts just to build a car for the general consumer who doesn't care what it's called anyway?
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Originally Posted by jmurray87
How have they ruined it? Did you read the link at all?
My point is wait and see. They will ruin it.


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