Lutz says they need to sell 150-160,000 Camaro's a Year to be profitable
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Lutz says they need to sell 150-160,000 Camaro's a Year to be profitable
Think they can sell that many per year? I don't
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp. on Monday showed off a Chevrolet Camaro prototype inspired by the 1969 version of the legendary muscle car to try to rev up demand for its return.
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Chevrolet had been widely expected to unveil the Camaro concept car at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, a day after DaimlerChrysler's U.S. division rolled out a version of the rival Dodge Challenger.
Many expect Chrysler and Chevrolet to put the Challenger and Camaro into production, given Ford Motor Co.'s success with its redesigned version of the original 1960s muscle car, the Mustang.
Executives at GM, the world's largest automaker, cited fans' intense interest surrounding the seven-month development effort behind the 400-horsepower concept car as an indication of potential demand from buyers.
But they said the company, which has been losing money and market share to rivals, had not yet decided whether to begin making the new Camaro. That production decision would hinge in part on the excitement generated by the new design, Bob Lutz, vice chairman of products, told reporters.
GM estimated 100,000 fans watched the Detroit unveiling via Webcast. It invited another 250 enthusiasts to watch in person. "It's like a cult out there," Lutz said of the Camaro fan base.
Restored, first-generation Camaros can fetch between $35,000 and $200,000, said Ed Welburn, vice president of global design for GM, whose own 1969 Camaro provided the launch pad for the rear-wheel drive concept design.
Lutz said GM could make the new Camaro profitably if it could sell between 150,000 and 160,000 of the cars each year.
A former Ford and Chrysler executive who came to GM four years ago, Lutz said U.S. automakers needed to roll out models with better fuel-efficiency and hybrid engines while still offering performance cars like the Camaro.
"It's two markets," Lutz said. "The whole country is schizophrenic."
As an example of the split in consumer thinking, Lutz said some Hollywood celebrities own both a Lamborghini Gallardo luxury sports car and a Toyota Prius hybrid.
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp. on Monday showed off a Chevrolet Camaro prototype inspired by the 1969 version of the legendary muscle car to try to rev up demand for its return.
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Chevrolet had been widely expected to unveil the Camaro concept car at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, a day after DaimlerChrysler's U.S. division rolled out a version of the rival Dodge Challenger.
Many expect Chrysler and Chevrolet to put the Challenger and Camaro into production, given Ford Motor Co.'s success with its redesigned version of the original 1960s muscle car, the Mustang.
Executives at GM, the world's largest automaker, cited fans' intense interest surrounding the seven-month development effort behind the 400-horsepower concept car as an indication of potential demand from buyers.
But they said the company, which has been losing money and market share to rivals, had not yet decided whether to begin making the new Camaro. That production decision would hinge in part on the excitement generated by the new design, Bob Lutz, vice chairman of products, told reporters.
GM estimated 100,000 fans watched the Detroit unveiling via Webcast. It invited another 250 enthusiasts to watch in person. "It's like a cult out there," Lutz said of the Camaro fan base.
Restored, first-generation Camaros can fetch between $35,000 and $200,000, said Ed Welburn, vice president of global design for GM, whose own 1969 Camaro provided the launch pad for the rear-wheel drive concept design.
Lutz said GM could make the new Camaro profitably if it could sell between 150,000 and 160,000 of the cars each year.
A former Ford and Chrysler executive who came to GM four years ago, Lutz said U.S. automakers needed to roll out models with better fuel-efficiency and hybrid engines while still offering performance cars like the Camaro.
"It's two markets," Lutz said. "The whole country is schizophrenic."
As an example of the split in consumer thinking, Lutz said some Hollywood celebrities own both a Lamborghini Gallardo luxury sports car and a Toyota Prius hybrid.
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I wish I had the #'s in front of me right now but I believe GM sold 180000 plus in the biggest production year of the Camaro/Firebird, 1979 believe it or not.Anyhow it is possible in todays world market.
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Originally Posted by kws87
That seems like a lot, anyone know the numbers from the new Mustangs first model year?
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That seems like a lot, anyone know the numbers from the new Mustangs first model year?
And 05 Mustangs got an early start to their model year.
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Originally Posted by ss rally red
I wish I had the #'s in front of me right now but I believe GM sold 180000 plus in the biggest production year of the Camaro/Firebird, 1979 believe it or not.Anyhow it is possible in todays world market.
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"It's like a cult out there," Lutz said of the Camaro fan base.
I'd put money for 2 (my dad and myself) down right now given the ability to do so. The car just looks good.
Damn good.
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In 1979 there was so little else offered from the competition as compared to today. You basically had the Camaro and the Mustang. Now we have the import craze and Chrysler jumping in face first. To sell 150k in this category today, your car had better be "the bomb". GM can come through on this one if they don't screw it up especially if they share a platform/assy. line with another line (GTO) and make them both the head of their class. I wonder what kind of price good ole' Bob had in mind when he came up with that number anyway?
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Originally Posted by Buckwheat
In 1979 there was so little else offered from the competition as compared to today. You basically had the Camaro and the Mustang. Now we have the import craze and Chrysler jumping in face first. To sell 150k in this category today, your car had better be "the bomb". GM can come through on this one if they don't screw it up especially if they share a platform/assy. line with another line (GTO) and make them both the head of their class. I wonder what kind of price good ole' Bob had in mind when he came up with that number anyway?
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He must be thinking in prices near or better than the ones Ford is offering, otherwise as said before competition out there is crazy. Would the lack of a Firebird "companion" affect sales?? I hope people don't start with a "oh its just a GTO in disguise". I mean I hope the negative vibe GTO has created does not affect the Camaro. Don't take it wrong GTO guys, I like that car from a mechanically point of view. I'm talking about the majority of people out there, you know the magazine car "enthusiasts" (hate that people!)
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I was just wondering how many they needed to sell...
I doubt they will sell that many, it doesnt have the same girl appeal that the Mustang has. And this thing is going to have to handle really good to attract sports car buyers.
I doubt they will sell that many, it doesnt have the same girl appeal that the Mustang has. And this thing is going to have to handle really good to attract sports car buyers.
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Originally Posted by chaman
He must be thinking in prices near or better than the ones Ford is offering, otherwise as said before competition out there is crazy. Would the lack of a Firebird "companion" affect sales?? I hope people don't start with a "oh its just a GTO in disguise". I mean I hope the negative vibe GTO has created does not affect the Camaro. Don't take it wrong GTO guys, I like that car from a mechanically point of view. I'm talking about the majority of people out there, you know the magazine car "enthusiasts" (hate that people!)