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Old 03-12-2011, 01:20 AM
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To the guys with filled, or half-filled blocks;
Do you still run a knock sensor? Does it work?
Old 03-12-2011, 06:31 AM
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throw that junk in the trash...knock sensors are useless
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Originally Posted by Fireball
throw that junk in the trash...knock sensors are useless
I took it out when I put my 355 in because the block had that port plugged shut
(I assume the previous owner stripped it and decided to cap it).
When I built the 383 using my original block (filled),
I didn't really think about putting it back in because I had that wire trimmed off the harness.
Now that I have the LS1 PCM (and a new harness) in there, I was debating the value of having it at all.

It sounds like popular opinion on the board is that they're worthless in a built motor (filled or not).
To be honest, they've caused me more trouble over the years than anything else anyhow.

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Most drag cars dont use them. I kept them on my street car but I had alot of useless junk on there, now with my race car they are gone.
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I'm alittle dumb on what filled means?
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Originally Posted by RENE'S RAGE
I'm alittle dumb on what filled means?
The water jacket in the bottom of the block can be filled with a
substance which becomes hard once it cures. Some people call it "cement"
but it's really more of a cement-based metallic paste. I used a product called hardblok.
The goal is basically to reinforce the block for situations where you either
have a lot of pressure or you've weakened the walls by overboring or clearancing.

http://www.hardblok.com/m/HardBlok_flyer.pdf
http://www.gessford.com/images/hardblok-01.gif
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Originally Posted by James Montigny
The water jacket in the bottom of the block can be filled with a
substance which becomes hard once it cures. Some people call it "cement"
but it's really more of a cement-based metallic paste. I used a product called hardblok.
The goal is basically to reinforce the block for situations where you either
have a lot of pressure or you've weakened the walls by overboring or clearancing.

http://www.hardblok.com/m/HardBlok_flyer.pdf
Thank you Sir!
I'll have to research some more.
Will that make the block run hotter?
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Originally Posted by RENE'S RAGE
Thank you Sir!
I'll have to research some more.
Will that make the block run hotter?
You'll have less coolant in the system and less surface area for it to collect
heat from the engine, so it could cause you to run hotter. I didn't notice
much of a difference in my build. I run 50/50 in a stock radiator with a 160* tstat.
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just off the top of my head... if you filled to the water pump you probably cemented your KS in there. I haven't run a knock sensor in years tho.
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I dont use one now and wont on my filled block either.
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I just unplugged mine. Haven't used one for a few years.
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I guess I'll just leave the plug in there and zip tie the KS wire away from the headers; thanks guys.
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I don't think the resolution of the LTx knock sensor and knock retard in the PCM lends itself very well to high performance. Safety net for bad gas on a stock motor? Yes. Roller rocker or aftermarket cam anything and it's a wash.
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Originally Posted by Wicked94Z
I don't think the resolution of the LTx knock sensor and knock retard in the PCM lends itself very well to high performance. Safety net for bad gas on a stock motor? Yes. Roller rocker or aftermarket cam anything and it's a wash.
I'd be running an LSx sensor with an LSx PCM, but I see what you mean.
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ls1 pcm will accept an lt1 KS so they're probably about the same. Aftermarket EFI setup and you could probably push the limits without being hampered by KR, but I dunno. Just don't run 87 in your motor it's been awhile since I've seen anything about your setup, looking forward to seeing your progress!



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