Don't drag race with the stock torque arm...
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Don't drag race with the stock torque arm...
....this could happen to you.
I just installed a new spohn #405 torque arm and the car honestly feels "ligher on its feet" so to speak. Before the stock torque arm let go i measured the rear angle at +7. Perhaps it was enough driveline bind to feel a difference after the spohn TA was installed to correct the pinion angle.
For those that are thinking about purchasing a spohn TA it is a very nice piece and a strait forward install. We would have had the entire install done in less than an hour if we didn't spend 3 hours grinding down the mounting flanges to fit the 12-bolt. It looked as if the frabricator got the metal a little hot while welding the flange and "bowed" it a bit. My only complaint so far is it hangs pretty low, those with lowered cars will have more trouble. Small price to pay. The bulit in driveshaft loop rests against the stock Y pipe (soon to be replaced) but is 1000X better than the BMR piece of sh*t i wasted $100 on.
While i was taking pictures, i figured i'd snap a few of the BMR POS driveshaft loop and what needed to be done to it to make it fit.
Happy racing everyone. Installing the Jethots this weekend and i'll be back out at California Speedway in a couple weeks.
I just installed a new spohn #405 torque arm and the car honestly feels "ligher on its feet" so to speak. Before the stock torque arm let go i measured the rear angle at +7. Perhaps it was enough driveline bind to feel a difference after the spohn TA was installed to correct the pinion angle.
For those that are thinking about purchasing a spohn TA it is a very nice piece and a strait forward install. We would have had the entire install done in less than an hour if we didn't spend 3 hours grinding down the mounting flanges to fit the 12-bolt. It looked as if the frabricator got the metal a little hot while welding the flange and "bowed" it a bit. My only complaint so far is it hangs pretty low, those with lowered cars will have more trouble. Small price to pay. The bulit in driveshaft loop rests against the stock Y pipe (soon to be replaced) but is 1000X better than the BMR piece of sh*t i wasted $100 on.
While i was taking pictures, i figured i'd snap a few of the BMR POS driveshaft loop and what needed to be done to it to make it fit.
Happy racing everyone. Installing the Jethots this weekend and i'll be back out at California Speedway in a couple weeks.
Last edited by bad2000ss; 04-01-2004 at 10:30 PM.
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with the mods in my sig would i benifit from a TQ arm? never been on a track yet but like to road race a little......spirited driving you could say!!!!!!!!!
does it really make a differance?
does it really make a differance?
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Originally Posted by M6HuggerSS
in turns or just straight line and hard launches?
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One thing i've definitely noticed right away was braking. The car brakes so much faster with less pedal. I think it has a lot to do with having less nose dive and keeps more of the weight on the rear of the car. I think a road race type car could deffinatly benefit from this torque arm.
gator's 99TA, i believe SMOKIN01TA has the right idea. Obviously launching an M6 it's a lot tougher on the rear driveline than an A4, and shifting an M6 is a lot tougher as well. The torque arm actually broke at California Speedway on a 2nd to 3rd shift and not the launch oddly enough. It might have been weakened at Irwindale 3 days prior. If it had come loose at Irwindale and threw the pinion angle way off, it may explain why i had a 1.71 60' at Irwindale with a crappy burn out, and a 1.84 60' at California speedway with a good burn out. I also trapped 3mph slower in the 1/8 at California than Irwindale.
gator's 99TA, i believe SMOKIN01TA has the right idea. Obviously launching an M6 it's a lot tougher on the rear driveline than an A4, and shifting an M6 is a lot tougher as well. The torque arm actually broke at California Speedway on a 2nd to 3rd shift and not the launch oddly enough. It might have been weakened at Irwindale 3 days prior. If it had come loose at Irwindale and threw the pinion angle way off, it may explain why i had a 1.71 60' at Irwindale with a crappy burn out, and a 1.84 60' at California speedway with a good burn out. I also trapped 3mph slower in the 1/8 at California than Irwindale.
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Stock TA here too
I think the title should say... "Make sure the bolts are tight on your Moser 12 bolt"
From what I've seen, Moser's 4 bolt method for attaching the TA isn't well suited for the stock arm becuase people have a hard time keeping the 4 individual bolts tight.
I think the title should say... "Make sure the bolts are tight on your Moser 12 bolt"
From what I've seen, Moser's 4 bolt method for attaching the TA isn't well suited for the stock arm becuase people have a hard time keeping the 4 individual bolts tight.
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100% true, I did the same thing with my original torque arm because the bolts loosened up on the Moser 12 bolt.
The person I sold my 12 bolt to just ripped off a random tech torque arm mount the same way because he didnt listen to me about checking those bolts
The person I sold my 12 bolt to just ripped off a random tech torque arm mount the same way because he didnt listen to me about checking those bolts
Originally Posted by WILWAXU
Stock TA here too
I think the title should say... "Make sure the bolts are tight on your Moser 12 bolt"
From what I've seen, Moser's 4 bolt method for attaching the TA isn't well suited for the stock arm becuase people have a hard time keeping the 4 individual bolts tight.
I think the title should say... "Make sure the bolts are tight on your Moser 12 bolt"
From what I've seen, Moser's 4 bolt method for attaching the TA isn't well suited for the stock arm becuase people have a hard time keeping the 4 individual bolts tight.
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Originally Posted by kp
Nope, a 1/4" thick random tech t/a mount ripped off just as easy, PM kurtomac here and ask him
Who....me....i swear the bolts were tight .....haha, my mount looked just like that one above...the bolts must have been loose you could see thread marks on the mount where the bolt goes through...the only way those marks could have gotten there is from the mount banging back and fourth on the bolt...the only way that could have happened is if they were LOOSE...got another random tech mount and a new driveshaft and its all good now....BTW use lots of loctite and torque those bolts and check frequently
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Originally Posted by Kurtomac
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Who....me....i swear the bolts were tight .....haha, my mount looked just like that one above...the bolts must have been loose you could see thread marks on the mount where the bolt goes through...the only way those marks could have gotten there is from the mount banging back and fourth on the bolt...the only way that could have happened is if they were LOOSE...got another random tech mount and a new driveshaft and its all good now....BTW use lots of loctite and torque those bolts and check frequently
Who....me....i swear the bolts were tight .....haha, my mount looked just like that one above...the bolts must have been loose you could see thread marks on the mount where the bolt goes through...the only way those marks could have gotten there is from the mount banging back and fourth on the bolt...the only way that could have happened is if they were LOOSE...got another random tech mount and a new driveshaft and its all good now....BTW use lots of loctite and torque those bolts and check frequently
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Originally Posted by SMOKIN01TA
i used lots of locktite on mine. i hasnt came loose yet.
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mine had loctite on it as well.....i think the top front bolt was gone and the rear bolt was still in the rear end (probably loose thought) thats how the metal on the mount was ripped like that...still say check frequently....hmm spotwelding not a bad idea