whitecamaross

i went to the track last night and i was finally able to dial my car in and i was lucky enough to get 5 passes. My car is a 99 camaro ss with long tube headers, off rd y pipe, magnaflow cat back, lid, filter, bellow, 160 thermostat, tr 224/224 563/563 on 112 lsa. pushrods, retainers, springs, and i was also on bf goodrich drag radials. The car is totally untuned. it doesnt even have a hypertech or predator in it. nothing, not even oxygen simmulators and it revs like a stock ls1 (6200rpm).it has the stock ls1 intake and not the ls6. here are the five passes:

first pass:
60ft 10.11
1/8 17.01
1/4 21.7
mph 106.19

on this first pass i got a red light and my car died on me so i had to start it up and i punched it anyways so that was my problem

second pass:
r/t .643
60ft 2.1
1/4 13.20
mph 109.40
on this second pass i left the line at about 2500 rpm and i didnt heat my tires very well.

third pass:
r/t 1.02
60ft 2.1
1/4 13.18
mph 108.81
on this third pass i left the line at the same rpm as above,but i was able to heat up my tires a little better.

fourth pass:
r/t 1.06
60ft 1.95
1/4 12.84
mph 109.26
on this fourth pass i dumped the clutch at about 3500 rpm and i held third gear a little longer.

fifth pass:
r/t .918
60ft 1.92
1/4 12.85
mph 110.44
on this last pass i dumped the clutch at about 4k.however, just before the end of the run my drivebelt slipped off the vehicle.

what do you guys think? i think that on my last run i probably would have been able to run better than the 12.85 if my belt wouldnt have slipped off. my mph was higher so i think that i probably would have had like a 12.78 or so. what do you guys think? do you think that my car should be running stronger? or am i running good for what i have?? what can i expect if i get 410 gears? or dyno tune it? give me all the suggestions you can think of. i will truely appreciate it.

whitecamaross

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whitecamaross

no comments on any of my runs?

SMOKIN01TA

iTrader: (10)

honestly, you should be able to get lowwwww 12's or high 11's with that cam but first your 60ft needs some work. you need to be pulling 1.7's. i went 12.2 with the same mods and some gears. without a cam, just to give you a idea.
i also went 12.80's with lid,drag radials and exhaust.

JESSIE

iTrader: (3)

Those numbers are pretty close to what I ran with that set up. What I have seen is that a lot of 99's don't perform as well as the other years. My buddy has a 2001 with all the exact mods and he runs consistantly 5 tenths faster than I do and about 4mph quicker. I have drivenhis car an ran consistant with his times and he has driven mine and been consistant witht he times I've cut. So all I can say is that the 99's seem to be slower and don't take mods as wel as the other years. Good Luck Jessie

MightyLS1

Thats funny, my 99 Z does 12.45 at 108 with bolt-ons. I guess 99's aren't dogs??? I don't want to get into that what year is best crap, but you are down on power somewhere. Get a tune or go through your setup with others with the same mods and try to figure it out. You should be in the 11's IMHO.

unit213

Those are basically stock LS1 times. You've got major problems. Get it tuned pronto...

Moose

iTrader: (5)

Yeah i think tuning is necessary. I was cracking 12.70's with a lid and a shifter..
your 60ft is fine for street tires, but you are missing some MPH

SMOKIN01TA

iTrader: (10)

yea, but he wasnt on street tires. however that still wont make up all that time.

whitecamaross

i agree, however keep in mind that i still have the ls1 intake which doesnt flow very well at all and as i said earlier i dont have any gears and i am revving like a stock vehicle so how can i possibly expect more when i am not revving all the way to 6600 rpm which is where my cam loses power? and also i dont power shift my car. yes, i am a believer that 98 99 camaros are slower that 01s 02s . whoever said that i am supposed to go 11s with the tr 224 cam needs to let me know what the hell he is smoking because the only way that would be possible is if i had alot of weight reduction and super tall gears on slicks. the best you can do in my opinion with the tr 224 with a full weight vehicle on drag radials is a twelve flat and thats pushing it and powershifting the hell out of your car and with alot of traction leaving off the line. i dont know what people are dreaming these days, but the tr224 isnt a big cam.
what i am perhaps missing is a good tune and tall gears with the ls6 intake and perhaps a crank pulley. i can almost guarantee that i would drop to a low twelve with all of the above. all those cars that run mid elevens on a stock block are camaros weighing the same as a honda crx and with no driver inside.

big dave

I agree that the '99s have a tendency to be a little underpowered when compared to all other years. Not all '99s, but quite a few, including mine. I do think you would benefit from a tune and as you said, intake and gears. My bolton times are in my sig. I don't have the intake, pulley, or ported throttle body...yet. Good luck.

SMOKIN01TA

iTrader: (10)

i know a few people going low 12's with boltons, drag radials and only missing a jack and tire for weith reduction. so with a extra 50 or so hp tuned, decent weather and good driving,i see no reason why it couldnt break 11's unless you got stuck with one of the motors that just dont like to pull, there are a few of them out there. anyway
good luck

whitecamaross

what does everybody think my car will do once i am tuned, 410 gears installed and ls6 intake with ported tb?????? is low 12s possible?? i think the fact that i dont have gears and ls6 intake and not revving to 6600 rpms is really defeating the purpose of my cam. i am not totally dissapointed at my et, but i was hoping for a low 12.70 pass or so. i am a little concerned about my mph though because my friend ran 109 mph on a bone stock 01 camaro ss with only drag radials and gutted cats. how many mph am i losing with stock ls1 intake on a tr 224 cam?

1320_PERFORMANCE

Whitecamaross, Im also running the same cam as you but I have a true dual set up, my best time so far is a 12.60 @ 113 w/ a 2.0 sixty. (no tunning,stock 3:42s) When my cam went in my stock clutch started to slip. My spec stage 3 w/ billet flywheel, tr gear packge w/ strange 4:10s, lca relo. brackets, and subframe connectors are waiting for me to be put on. hope all this gets me an 11.XX et. your right about us not shifting @ our power band defeats the purpose of the cam. so Ill be picking up a predator programmer as soon as I get all my mods in. my last mods will probly be my asp pulleys and my ported TB. Hope everthing goes well for you man. laters.

Mark

02WS6#519

What elevation are you running at? The elevation here is 4500ft and stock LS1's are running 13.8-14.0's @100mph-102mph on street tires with an average 60' of 2.2-2.3. I haven't run yet since my mods but I hope on mid to high 12's. I dynoed at 405rwhp and 385ft/lbs. Good luck.

Peace
Ever

DeepBlueZ

white camaro-- i have a buddy with an M6 WS6 that is ripping off 12.40s at 112 with NOTHING but a lid, loudmouth, drag radials and no front swaybar, only weight reduction is the jack/spare and swaybar....(NO BS...I've seen it)

you're definitely missing some MPH. i would dyno that thing and see if its putting down what it should be. also, as was stated by someone else, the 60 foot is everything.

also, its DEFINITELY possible to go 11s with a 224 cam...the LS1 intake is hurting your maximum power potential but its not going to make you actually LOSE power from what you had when you put the cam in...you should still have much more than you had before the cam, just not quite as much as you would if u had an LS6 intake....its possible to go 11s without any aftermarket cam at all (trust me im trying to get there myself, no LS6 intake, stock heads and cam, ONLY jack/spare and front sway bar for weight reduction and on 17 inch drag radials....the SAME WAY i drive on the street)

i'd bet there are a good number of stock motor drag radial cars dipping into the 11s on this board.

bottom line is you need a dyno and a good tuner because you're not experiencing the full brunt of what that cam should do for you.

good luck!

SouthFL.02.SS

I go to the same track as whitecamaross.
I was there that night, and I even ran against him.

When I had a 222/222 cam I was trapping 109-111mph, so yes, he's a bit off, but it was his first time out with the cam.

Our track isn't known for being fast, or hooking well.
I managed consistent 118mph traps that night and was running 12.1's on 1.8's and 1.9's., so I suck too.
125 shot Z06's were running 11.6's @ 130mph.

I'd like to head up to Central Florida and try out Bradenton or Gainsville to compare numbers.

whitecamaross

very true. i wonder what should be my next mod.. ls6 intake or 410 gears?? whats the best one to get first out of the two??? unfourtunately dyno tune will have to wait since here in miami there isnt a good place to dyno tune ls1's. i have planned to go to lousiana in june so i can let thunder racing dyno tune my car. i would trust them more than anybody else with that cam. my goal is to go high elevens with this cam. i think that my car is "ok" power wise, but i am almost positive that if i would have bought that 02 z28 instead i would have been way better off than now. i have a feeling it would have responded much better than my 99ss. if anything and my car doesnt want to " wake up" after everything is done to it including tuning it, then ill go ahead and sell it and pick up an 03 cobra instead. i will never understand why the hell i didnt buy that 02 z28 other than the fact that it wasnt m6.

DeepBlueZ

that sounds like a valid reason to me...life aint all about ETs and 60 foots. if you like to choose your own gears, the SS was the right call...JMO..

whitecamaross

how much mph will i pick up with 410s and the ls6 intake??? my best mph is 110. anybody know ?? how about et's???