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Old 04-21-2010, 12:39 PM
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Like the title says, I need to pick turbos and a cam to run in a full forged 408 (iron block, 4340 crank, H beam rods, 8.5:1 Je pistons, ported LS3 heads, single plane intake with an elbow). it is going to be twin turbo, Tubular 1 7/8" primary up and forward headers into the turbos, 3.5" down pipes, 70 C10 pick up 3800-3900lbs, 4L80E, 12 bolt, front mount intercooler, pump gas w/meth, street driven. I was thinking a pair of T76 .84 a/r T4 flange for the turbos. Not sure on the cam side. Thanks in advance.
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Like the title says, I need to pick turbos and a cam to run in a full forged 408 (iron block, 4340 crank, H beam rods, 8.5:1 Je pistons, ported LS3 heads, single plane intake with an elbow). it is going to be twin turbo, Tubular 1 7/8" primary up and forward headers into the turbos, 3.5" down pipes, 70 C10 pick up 3800-3900lbs, 4L80E, 12 bolt, front mount intercooler, pump gas w/meth, street driven. I was thinking a pair of T76 .84 a/r T4 flange for the turbos. Not sure on the cam side. Thanks in advance.
TC76's my friend.....you will love them.
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You don't think 2 TC76's will be too much? I have been reading some posts in here and a bunch of guys are making serious power with 2 TC70's. What housing and a/r would you suggest with the TC76's? Thanks.
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Getting ready to order the cam from Cammotion... any ideas for this bump stick?

Also, since we last spoke, we're sourcing a 6L90E. Probably a 2Kish stall, unless someone says otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Grendel
Getting ready to order the cam from Cammotion... any ideas for this bump stick?

Also, since we last spoke, we're sourcing a 6L90E. Probably a 2Kish stall, unless someone says otherwise.
Camshaft would depend on alot of goals you have not specified, Cam motion should be able to take care of you.

A 2000 stall is really small for a build like this, but again it would depend on what your using the truck for and how you want it to perform.
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The most important question; how much power would you be pleased with, and where would you like it to come online? Without that data, sizing is impossible.
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Originally Posted by Jordan_NationalSpeed
The most important question; how much power would you be pleased with, and where would you like it to come online? Without that data, sizing is impossible.

We're aiming for 1K RWHP, if possible.

Looking for power pretty low off the line as drive ability is important.


Working on specs now:

6.0L Block (ARP studs, ICE head gaskets - might o-ring)
Bore = 4.030
Stroke = 4.000
Rod Length = 6.125
4340 Crank, H beam rods, pistons (Piston Head Volume+29.00cc) with all ARP bolts.

Heads = PRC LS3 Heads with Patriot springs to .660” lift. 70CC Combustion Chambers, stock sized stainless valves (looking for the flow numbers now)

SLP RockerArm Package L76/L92/LS3 Aluminum OffSet 1.85

6L90E trans (TC stall speed is still TBD)

4 linked rear with 12B - 3.73 posi

30.75" tall tire

Twin T76 .84 a/r T4 (as discussed here)?

Thanks for any info you may give,

-J

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Originally Posted by Grendel
We're aiming for 1K RWHP, if possible.

Looking for power pretty low off the line as drive ability is important.


Working on specs now:

6.0L Block (ARP studs, ICE head gaskets - might o-ring)
Bore = 4.030
Stroke = 4.000
Rod Length = 6.125
4340 Crank, H beam rods, pistons (Piston Head Volume+29.00cc) with all ARP bolts.
For that power goal; double o-ring? Also, what diameter cylinder head stud are you going with, .500"?

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Twin T76 .84 a/r T4 (as discussed here)?
My opinion; that's a bit large. Dr. Turbo will probably disagree with me to the end of the Earth about that. Either way, I recommend Precision 6765 billet turbochargers. They are rated to 900hp a piece, and with the D-option turbine housing you can get T4 inlet/v-band outlet .81 a/r turbine housings. Pending on your space constraints, you can get the compressor cover in a few different options;

- E-option
- Inlet: 3.00"
- Outlet: 2.00"
- Centerline inlet to centerline outlet: 2.25"
- Cenlterline inlet to outlet tip: 4.35"
- Anti-surge: Not available

- S-option
- Inlet: 4.00"
- Outlet: 2.50"
- Centerline inlet to centerline outlet: 3.00"
- Cenlterline inlet to outlet tip: 4.35"
- Anti-surge: Available (SP)

- H-option
- Inlet: 4.00"
- Outlet: 3.00"
- Centerline inlet to centerline outlet: 3.10"
- Cenlterline inlet to outlet tip: 5.45"
- Anti-surge: Available (HP)

It all depends where you're placing the turbochargers. But for your power requirements, I'd try hard to fit the H-compressor cover.

Once again, just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Jordan_NationalSpeed
For that power goal; double o-ring? Also, what diameter cylinder head stud are you going with, .500"?


I have ARP 134-3610's now. The block can be re-machined for a bigger bolt size, when it goes out for o-ring treatment. Probably going for the biggest diameter head bolts we can get in there, considering this is not a War-Hawk block (thought it was when I bought it).
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go with a higher stall, i daily drive my 3300 and its VERY well mannered and is quite noticeable. i think for you like a good 2500-2700 would be good, thats where mine started out and it was nice
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A pair of T72s would rock also. Might want to make the primaries 1 3/4" to keep velocity and heat up.
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I've got one brand new TC72 I'll make you a good deal on. PM me if your intrested
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I have a pair of TC 76's for sale. Also Speed Inc has done a bunch of twin 408's I would contact them for a cam. Good luck with the build.
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Originally Posted by jfg455
Like the title says, I need to pick turbos and a cam to run in a full forged 408 (iron block, 4340 crank, H beam rods, 8.5:1 Je pistons, ported LS3 heads, single plane intake with an elbow). it is going to be twin turbo, Tubular 1 7/8" primary up and forward headers into the turbos, 3.5" down pipes, 70 C10 pick up 3800-3900lbs, 4L80E, 12 bolt, front mount intercooler, pump gas w/meth, street driven. I was thinking a pair of T76 .84 a/r T4 flange for the turbos. Not sure on the cam side. Thanks in advance.
what rpm range ?
also, lose the .84 dual entry, and pick a single entry

first guess with limited info given,
get the f1-68 turbine,
.81 or .96 a/r
tc72 or tc76
both would do the requirements
those tc series from FI are just about unbeatable for value.
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if you stick with the divided flange then you can run Spool Valves, and FYI, sunday i was cuttin 1.75 60 foots on a dead hook on street tires in a full weight camaro and trapping 86mph (1/8 mile) so yeah, give it some stall you wont be disappointed.
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Originally Posted by CarsandWomen
if you stick with the divided flange then you can run Spool Valves, and FYI, sunday i was cuttin 1.75 60 foots on a dead hook on street tires in a full weight camaro and trapping 86mph (1/8 mile) so yeah, give it some stall you wont be disappointed.
IMO, there is no reason to add another peice that could fail to the puzzle. This combo will spool fine if he picks the correct parts. I think a spool valve should be used when you have to have one.
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Originally Posted by black98ws6ta
IMO, there is no reason to add another peice that could fail to the puzzle. This combo will spool fine if he picks the correct parts. I think a spool valve should be used when you have to have one.
Agree, I could foot brake mine to low 1.3's. Those things would spool before I put it in drive! lol I would get a low stall also.
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RPM range is an interesting question, as I don't know what this motor's reciprocating assembly will handle.

I bought SLP roller rockers for it, it's an all forged lower. Fitment and assembly will be top notch.

What is an effective red line?

I figured I want power low, as I do want to run this over the highway and occasionally on the drag strip.
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Heads are:


PRC LS3 Intake PRC LS3 Exhaust
cfm cfm
.200 154 115
.300 223 170
.400 282 198
.500 324 211
.600 351 228
.650 358 232
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Why not just a big single??


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