AES vs. ERL for a Supercharged C5
04-08-2014, 01:35 PM
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AES vs. ERL for a Supercharged C5 Hey everyone so I have the itch again and would like to build my motor. I have been getting some great advice from a friend of mine and have narrowed it down I think to AES and ERL. Now the point of contention here is which one is right for me. I have a C5 with 635RWHP, Supercharged and would like around 850RWHP-900RWHP as safe as possible. I want to be able to beat her up a little and not be so worried. I also drive the car everyday. I have heard nothing but great things from both of these vendors but the AES 390 vs the ERL M5 is close to a $4000 dollar difference. If the AES can do the job well I am totally down to save some coin!!! Any advice is welcomed, thanks!
04-08-2014, 02:00 PM
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I purchased a ERL Super Deck 1 for my Supercharged build about 4 months ago. The work that ERL did was awesome. Top notch quality and good customer service. I would highly recommend them.
I talked to AES also they seemed ok also but I wanted a light weight aluminum setup.
Build thread coming soon.
I talked to AES also they seemed ok also but I wanted a light weight aluminum setup.
Build thread coming soon.
04-08-2014, 06:00 PM
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You don't need the ERL block for a 900rwhp build, unless you think you just gotta have it and you're just running out of space to stash your cash away. The factory block will easily handle that power. Now, "as safe as you can" will really come down to the tune and the fuel that you use. GL!
04-08-2014, 07:22 PM
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I say it all depends on your end goal. If 900rwhp is your end goal the the 390 will handle that without an issue. If you want to eventually get well into the 4 digits then you will want to get a six bolt block.
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04-09-2014, 09:13 AM
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wanted to jump in on some technical differences:
AES crank = Callies Commercial line crank (5140 steel)
ERL crank in M5 = Callies Dragonslayer (4340 steel, forging & finish work done in USA)
AES rods = Compstar H beam
ERL rods in M5 = Callies Ultra Billet I beam (better option for 1,000+)
Some of the other differences is that ERL is using a coated bearing in the M5 vs. a non-coated bearing. Of course you have the difference in weight on the Iron 6.0L vs. an aluminum which is somewhere around 100 lbs.
The benefit too that you get with an ERL block is the fact that they use a longer sleeve length of 5.800" which definitely helps when running a 4.00" stroker crank not having as much piston hanging out of the bottom of the bore. Especially if you drive the car a lot. Another big thing is obviously the 6 bolt option on the M5 but like everyone else said, I agree you could do a 4 bolt setup for only 850-900 but it would be nice to have some extra clamp for 1,000 even if it's just a 1/2" head stud. You could do their M3 package instead.
But I've pointed out the differences in parts etc. above to note why you have the price difference between the 2.
AES crank = Callies Commercial line crank (5140 steel)
ERL crank in M5 = Callies Dragonslayer (4340 steel, forging & finish work done in USA)
AES rods = Compstar H beam
ERL rods in M5 = Callies Ultra Billet I beam (better option for 1,000+)
Some of the other differences is that ERL is using a coated bearing in the M5 vs. a non-coated bearing. Of course you have the difference in weight on the Iron 6.0L vs. an aluminum which is somewhere around 100 lbs.
The benefit too that you get with an ERL block is the fact that they use a longer sleeve length of 5.800" which definitely helps when running a 4.00" stroker crank not having as much piston hanging out of the bottom of the bore. Especially if you drive the car a lot. Another big thing is obviously the 6 bolt option on the M5 but like everyone else said, I agree you could do a 4 bolt setup for only 850-900 but it would be nice to have some extra clamp for 1,000 even if it's just a 1/2" head stud. You could do their M3 package instead.
But I've pointed out the differences in parts etc. above to note why you have the price difference between the 2.
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04-09-2014, 09:54 PM
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I'm calling Sean and ordering my ERL bottom end tomorrow, I've been looking and researching for at least a year and for me ERL seems to be my best choice.
Looked at LME, HKE and SD
Looked at LME, HKE and SD
04-10-2014, 10:48 AM
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Pat at Quality will be doing all my work.
ERL what block should I be looked at? I was told the M5 but then told by others its overkill. Will the M1 work? I won't get to crazy with this car because its a daily I just would like to get as close as possible to 200MPH in the mile if possible.
ERL what block should I be looked at? I was told the M5 but then told by others its overkill. Will the M1 work? I won't get to crazy with this car because its a daily I just would like to get as close as possible to 200MPH in the mile if possible.