Rob Raymer

This motor is the same one in our Project Z28 you are all familiar with. It has less than 40 miles on it, and has never been raced. It has the best of everything, and is turbo ready.

Due to a new max cubic inch limitation in the Outlaw Street Car Association race that we participate in, we cannot use this engine. It was built last year by Agostino Racing Engines in Canada, and has only been started and driven up and down the street a few times. We just installed the Fel-Pro system 2 weeks ago, and have yet to even do any tuning on the engine since finding out the new rules.

This engine is an 8.5:1 6.0 ltr iron block, with a Lunati Pro Billet stroker crank, Pro Billet Rods, Ross FI Pistons, custom grind 589/612 lift Hyd Roller cam, Stage 3 heads, 1/2 studs, custom head work (additional aluminum welding for boost support), double o-ringed block, ATI SFI damper, etc, etc. As I said, this engine is basically BRAND NEW.

Without a core, this combination would sell for nearly $16,000 from ARE. I will take $10,500 delivered in the US48, for the complete Long Block (no intake, ignition, or fueling included).

If you plan on building a forced induction motor....it doesn't get any better than this.

Phate

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So this does not include the Fel-Pro system, correct?

Thanks,

Scott

smokinHawk

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hmmm... what i always wanted 404 ci. Hold on let me check if i got a spare $10k, crap, nope. Can trade my soul to you for it?

Thats disapointing, what are your engine plans now?

Im curious about the heads, how did you beef them up to stop flexing?

Rob Raymer

Answers to a few questions I've received:

From memory (of what Nick Agostino told me), it's a .010 over 4.00 bore, with a 4.00 stroke crank. We wanted to go light on teh boring for cylinder wall strength.

A long block is only the engine assembly itself....no accessories, no pullies, no Fel-pro system, etc. It does come with the oil pan and valve covers, and the ATI damper and flexplate.

The heads were aluminum welded in the "weak spots" by Nick at ARE for maximum strength. There was a LOT OF WORK done to these heads. Probably more than you could pay him to do again. It's also double O-ringed....meaning it has O-rings in the heads and block, and then receiver grooves in the heads and block, so that they interlock. Very trick.

We don't have any dyno runs on it with or without the turbo. As I said, it's practically brand new. I seriously doubt it even has an actual 40 miles on it. I was estimating high.

It's still in the car...you can hear it run before you buy it if you like.

1FST99Z

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How much power is the engine producing now? with out the turbo, and how much boost can that turbo prepped engine handle. 20psi? I know that is insane, but that is why sane people don't race.

Rob Raymer

As I said in the last post...we have no dyno runs on this engine with or without the turbo. Since it's an 8.5:1 motor, it's not really relative what it makes without boost. Though I would "guess" 400-450rwhp through an automatic. We had the engine built to handle a T-88 (rated at 1250HP), and run 8's in a 4000lb car.

The engine should handle 20-25lbs of boost all day long with this setup. At least that's what Nick told me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

parish8

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<img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

how about a kidney or a first born child? i wish i had a way to swing 10k

how much would you knock of for an 02 6.0 longblock with 15k miles and a 99 5.3 long block with 30k miles, they both run great?

KHShapiro

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sent you mail Rob, and will call tomorrow

<small>[ March 06, 2003, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: KHShapiro ]</small>

Guido

Rob,
What class are you racing?

Is this the same outlaw racing as www.oscaracing.com ??

Reason I ask, is because I had planned on running both Edgewater races and both Muncie races this season in Modified street and Im @ 406ci. I hope that there is no limit on those classes. I just rechecked their rules and did not see anything.

Can you clue me in?

Good luck selling the motor! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

smokinHawk

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Hey, Curt when you run your car at Muncie, let me know, i wanna watch it. <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

LiquidSnake

Rob i send you a pm .

parish8

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is this monster not sold yet? would there be anything that would keep this motor from being used in a daily driver? probably use a more mild blower cam. what about the valve springs would they need swaped out. i am talking somehting like 30000miles without haveing to be messed with.

O2BQIK

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Rob Raymer:
<strong> As I said in the last post...we have no dyno runs on this engine with or without the turbo. Since it's an 8.5:1 motor, it's not really relative what it makes without boost. Though I would "guess" 400-450rwhp through an automatic. We had the engine built to handle a T-88 (rated at 1250HP), and run 8's in a 4000lb car.

The engine should handle 20-25lbs of boost all day long with this setup. At least that's what Nick told me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just wanted to say, this post made me giggle uncontrollably for a good 2 minutes straight. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Wish I had $10K too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

kumar75150

how will this engine hold up to a 200 shot of nitrous until I can save enough money for a turbo? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Can you guarantee at least 400rwhp in its current state?

I am very interested. Please email me at kagrawal@austincollege.edu

Rob Raymer

As I said, this engine has the best of everything. Lunati Pro Billet crank, Pro Billet Rods, double o-rings, etc, etc. A 200 shot of nitrous would be no problem at all. It was built to be a daily driven combination. Otherwise I would have already started removing weight from my 4000+lb car if I didn't want it to be streetable. I can't say that the engine would last 30,000 miles without any problems, but I don't see why it wouldn't. It was built to withstand a missle attack.

I do have a smaller cam we could easily susbstitute. It's about a 560 lift cam, still a FI profile. The springs on the heads will work just fine with it.

I have no idea what this engine would dyno without the turbo on it. The only way to know this, would be to remove the turbo and turbo manifold, add a set of long tube headers, swap to a NA cam, and dyno tune it for that combination. In other words, not really feasible.

But realistically, how could a 404ci engine from ARE with Stage 3 heads not make at least 400rwhp??

Hope that helps.

kumar75150

That does help. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I am just a little worried about the compression ratio seeing as I'm going to be running NA for a while. I would expect a 404 to make about 470rwhp with 11-1 commpression. I hear you lose 7% power for every compression point. That means a loss of 80hp. That would put me below 400rwhp. Let me ask around and call ARE and if I think I can end up with 425+rwhp and torque, then there is a good chance you have a buyer for the engine.

<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

LiquidSnake

Rob excuse me but i send a couple of e-mail's to you and a pm even tryed to catch you on the phone(you may noticed i am calling from overseas)but no reply to my pm s mails..i understand you are a busy man but at least will you please send a reply to my questions over here?I am trying to buy that engine.
Thanks

<small>[ March 18, 2003, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: LiquidSnake ]</small>

Guido

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Guido:
<strong> Rob,
What class are you racing?

Is this the same outlaw racing as www.oscaracing.com ??

Reason I ask, is because I had planned on running both Edgewater races and both Muncie races this season in Modified street and Im @ 406ci. I hope that there is no limit on those classes. I just rechecked their rules and did not see anything.

Can you clue me in?

Good luck selling the motor! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Think you could spare 1 minute to answer my question or email I sent??

Rob Raymer

I never received notification of any PM's. Nor have I ever even received notification of any replies to this topic. I usually just check up on it, and answer.

I will check my PM's now and respond.

Regarding OSCA, we spoke to a rep from the OSCA 3 weeks ago at a local Car Show. He informed me at that time that there would be a 400ci max limit in a new class that was to be introduced this year. Supposedly giving the 5.80-6.20 1/8 mile cars a class to be competitive in. I saw nothing on the OSCA site about '03 rules as of yet.
Either way, it wouldn't matter. Our plan was to use the 404ci and T88 turbo along with the FAST system. FAST systems are also not allowed, and we could not possibly control that turbo and the necessary injectors properly without it.

Guido

I had sent an email to the one you have listed in your profile. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

That is interesting. Must be the "entry level" class that there was some discussion about last fall. I hadnt seen anything about it on their website yet so that is what confused me too.

So what kind of combination do you plan on putting together to run that class?? Going back to stock electronics or what?

Good luck with the car! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />