eb02z06

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Hi guys. I currently have a P1SC on my Z06 and I'm very happy with it. I am thinking of upgrading to a D1SC too but then I've also been thinking about switching to a Vortech T-trim or a Novi 2000. The only thing that worries me about the procharger is the self contained unit thing-i'm afraid of it losing a seal-only because my friend had this issue on his mustang. I've had both Vortech and Novi's on my other cars and they wer both great as well but it's obvious that the engine oil type blower run alot hotter. Is the seal thing a thing of the past or is there a secret to vent the blower to avoid damge or seepage or is just part of the game? How many miles or abuse can the prochargers take until the seals need to be changed-thanks!

EPP

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We've never had problems with the seals. Your buddies seal problem was something we don't see happen. Bob

Urban Legend

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No seal issues for me. Going on 18 months of harsh treatment in TX heat.

kp

iTrader: (34)

All three are good solid reliable head units, personally I think its silly to swap all the brackets and drive when all you have to do is bolt on a D1. I have never seen one fail but I'm sure some have, I'm sure Vortechs and Novis fail also from time to time (I had an early Vortech SQ let go years ago). Its a high stressed mechanical object and sometimes parts break.

1QUIKWS6

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One of the concepts of the ATI unit that I like so much is the fact that it IS a self-contained unit. I don't like the idea of the SC oil and engine oil being one in the same for (2) reasons:

If SC HU decides to frag - the crap/debris that is a result goes directly into your engine oil...

The whole idea of drilling/tapping into your oil pan for the required fitting, even if using heavy grease on drill/tap, just isn't a good idea IMO - basically no way to ensure that no metallic debris is introduced into your engine oil system...

I had an earlier version of a Paxton SC utilizing the large ball bearing style drive on a Chevy 383 in my GP - when the drive decided to take a powder - I was mighty glad that the oil system of the SC was seperate from the engine oiling system

eb02z06

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Does anyone know if the Mustang RR head units are the same as the Vette ones?

andereck

Unfourtunately they are not the same. The mustang head unit would need to be sent in to ATI for oil slinger reclocking.

Pro Stock John

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I'd think it'd be prohibitably expensive to swap over to a T-Trim or Novi.

eb02z06

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how would you tell-when you look at the top of the unit there are 2 holes one is sealed and the other is the dipstick-so with the pulley facing me the dipstick is on the right on my P1SC, the D1SC i'm looking at also looks the same?

andereck

The oil slinger clock location is referenced off of the serial tag. The oil slinger will be opposite the serial tag in the case. The serial tag always faces up when the head unit is mounted.

When the head unit is mounted the pulley will be in the 10, 12 or 2 o'clock position.

andereck

The T-trim is comparable in airflow to a P1SC so it really wouldn't make sense to do anyhow.

eb02z06

iTrader: (18)

Now I understand-what does ATI charge to reclock this-can it be done at home?

DeltaT

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After my friend with a P1SC and I (Vortech V-2 S-trim) go for a drive with our cars, I can put my hand on my Vortech but I can barely touch his P1SC - it's that much hotter. They are on opposite sides of the motor but about the same distance from the headers. He is also running only 4# boost right now - needs a smaller pulley. Also, his P1SC started coating the entire inside of his FMIC with oil, then seized its gearbox. 3.5 weeks later his unit was returned rebuilt. Only 1 example, I know, but a crappy track record so far for him and Procharger.

Jim

eb02z06

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I don't know how a S-trim will compare to a P1SC-1-but there's some food for thought. My P1SC-1 at 8spi or 50 7375 rpm made 606 hp-that's a gain of 226 hp! That's not running the car lean or anything-11.1 AFR and only 17 degrees of total timing. Torque was a little lower than expected at 482. As far as heat goes-my buddy has a S-trim on his 02 Mustang-trip to the dyno is 1 hr-when we got there you cannot touch his blower, another friend has a Novi 2000 same thing-my blower can be touched without burning your hand. I did think the P1SC-1 lacked midrang torque-but you'd be hard pressd to think that when driving the car. I have had S-trims before as well as novi 2000's-this is my first procharger. I know Andy at A&A has switched to Vortech's and ECS now uses the Novi 2000 instead of Procharger-this wasn't because they wanted to but had to as Procharger didn't want them using there blowers for there kits. Now the P1SC-1 can be spun to 65 000 rpm-so that's almost 15000 rpm left to go. Now I hear the D1SC has more of a kick in the lower rpm and pulls harder up top as well. From what i'm told expect about 2-3psi of boost increase from just the head unit swap. I was thinking of switching over to the S-trim or T-trim but I think both of those blowers won't match up to the potential of the D1SC. It sucks i that I just can't grab a D1SC off a mustang!

Pro Stock John

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T-Trim is rated for 825 hp, I don't know anything about ATI's stuff except for what I have read on here. I think some stangers have pushed the T-Trim to like 800rwhp but I could be wrong.

JMBLOWNWS6

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I would think the T trim is right under the D1sc not the P1sc.

JMBLOWNWS6

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RMCR got 786 rwhp or something like that with a T trim on a 370 ci

Slowhawk

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There is nothing wrong with the Procharger's Thats our #1 seller.Sure there have been a few seal problems but it is like 2% or so.Vortech/Paxton have there issue's too.

We make well over 800rwhp with our D1 on our race car(atually near 4 digit's ) and never had a problem with the unit(2 years old).

Also A+A and ECS had to switch to another product,not by choice.Believe me,they didn't want to switch.By ussing the other products they had to use restrictor plates to make up the lack of midrange the other unit's produced.I think they did a good job and definitely helped Paxton/Vortech in the Vette market.

JMBLOWNWS6

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And I agree with Slowhawk. There are issues with both products. But we have some procharger cars here putting down mad power! I was just so far into my vortech kit It was useless to switch to a procharger with a D1sc

Slowhawk

iTrader: (12)

Vortech is a nice product.I just don't see switching all the brackets ect when he can just upgrade his head unit to a D1 for $1k or so.