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Old 03-15-2005, 07:37 PM
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Since you're planning on testing a stock, Cammin BeaSST, and Bo White tbs I was wondering if you plan on testing any others? I'd be interested in your results for any of the Shaner throttle bodies as well.
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I'd be interested in seeing how the SLP TB work out
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only ones i have in my possession are the 3 i listed. when im ready if anybody wants to donate a TB for me to test i'll do that as well. honestly i dont think its that big of a deal, TB's arent like heads or cam. there's only so much you can do. i still had my stock TB and i bought the cammin beasst w/ no core. Bo sent me one of his to test out to drum up some business and data. what i think the test will prove is that a ~125 TB will be just as good as a 200+ ported TB
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Keep us informed JRP. I have done the tests myself. They all make 5 to 8 rwhp. The gain is so small some of the power could be attributed to cool downs/efficiency etc etc....

Like you said 75 bucks to 200 bucks they all do basically the same thing. Some are "cuter" than others though
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You say that you think your test will prove that a ~125 will be just as good as a ~200 one, but wouldn't you have to test a 200+ for that? I'm just asking, I realize it'd be dumb for you to test all of them yourself cuase it'd cost to much money to get them together. My Thought was that some people could perhaps donate their TB for some testing by a independent person, such as yourself.


Cammin, if you've done some testing, I'd be interested in the results. Have you done any actual testing as to how much air your TB flows as compared to stock?
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like i said, a TB isnt like a set of heads where one ported one can vastly be different from another set. yes i'd have to test a 200+ TB to find out if its indeed better then say a shaner, bauer, mti, fast, ect. but i have a hard to believing much difference. i've seen enough general TB data to deduce that they all gain 5 - 11rwhp depending on setup. the extra espense comes from the polishing, poweder coating, and the name.

the plan is to dyno test the 3 TB's as well as have them flowed on steves sf-1020 bench if he can build the adapter plate.
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Nice, sounds like a good plan.
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Originally Posted by Ru2n00n3er
You say that you think your test will prove that a ~125 will be just as good as a ~200 one, but wouldn't you have to test a 200+ for that? I'm just asking, I realize it'd be dumb for you to test all of them yourself cuase it'd cost to much money to get them together. My Thought was that some people could perhaps donate their TB for some testing by a independent person, such as yourself.


Cammin, if you've done some testing, I'd be interested in the results. Have you done any actual testing as to how much air your TB flows as compared to stock?
I have tested most if not all of the big names. There comes a point when one tries to turn a Pinto into a space shuttle.... All of the TBs had almost identical power curves throughout the entire RPM band. I guess what Im saying is theres only so much air a 75mm hole can move.

TB pricing varies with "bling" Theyre all ported/polished. Some guys powdercoat, some polish shafts etc etc.TBs such as mine and Bo s' are more for function. To me quick turn around and overall performance are the most important factors.

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I agree with Cammin Beasst because that is the reason I contacted jrp for the testing in the first place because I knew he had a nicely done filled TB and his original and his car was down. There is only so much you can do with a TB that jrp is right about the overall outcome of the testing would be so close that the consistency of the dyno itself and thermal temp differences would go into play. I believe Cammins filled TB represents as good of a filled TB thats out there, which there is a lot that are good, and I believe that the test he conducts will be what would be the outcome of anyones filled/unfilled TB thats available. Time will tell.
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It is all a matter of prefrence and wallet size. I got mine for go not show. Not that there is anything wrong with show. To me, I ball on a budget and looks are not what is important to me for the moment.
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I think this is gonna be a good test. I'll be interested to see how the filled vs unfilled turns out. I won't be doing tb's much anymore, due to my twin girls being born so its a moot point for me. Bo and Ron(Cammin Beast) both do great work, so it'll really be a battle of the best. Can't wait to see some results!!
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Congrats on the girls!!! Its amazing what a child does for ya!!!!!!



Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
I think this is gonna be a good test. I'll be interested to see how the filled vs unfilled turns out. I won't be doing tb's much anymore, due to my twin girls being born so its a moot point for me. Bo and Ron(Cammin Beast) both do great work, so it'll really be a battle of the best. Can't wait to see some results!!
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When you guus are saying filled vs. unfilled, do you mean with epoxy? Whose has epoxy in it?
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Yes, inlet of the TB housing you have an inlet for the IAC and some fill that with epoxy and drill it for function to help smooth the transition of the air through the TB.
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Hey JRP, not to be a pest or anything, but do you know what kind of timeframe you're looking at on getting your ride back up and running? I knew you were having problems with it, just didn't know the extent of its injuries.
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hey jrp, if you want to let me use your stocker (if it will fit a 99) then i could lend you my Janzter TB if you want to test that out???
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