Pro Stock John

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I hear the new 6.0 aluminum block is...

-a reality
-For the trucks
-power on demand, meaning a different lifter setup possibly
-cam sensor sits in front like an 8.1, so maybe it reads off the timing gear?
-might have different knock sensor setup

Can anyone add to this?

Sounds like they can work with our stuff with some modifications.

I also hear the Escalade is getting a V12.

Assassin

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Escalade = v12?, time for that family vehicle, lol

Time2Kill

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I heard about 6 months ago that the Escalade was the getting the V12. I believe its a 7.5L with about 450 or 500hp (I forget) that has a footprint roughly the same size as a V8. Should be interesting!

taqwache

i wonder if this engine is going to use the new 3 valve heads and cam phasing like the 4.2 L6 does.

WhiteDiamond

Do you have any websites or additional info on this?? I was planning on boosting our Escalade's power, but a V12 would be much nicer...Time to trade!!!

Todd

SScam68

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no ****!!

V12 Escalade

fug it, how about a swap

WhiteDiamond

Since the idea of the V12 in an Escalade got me excited, I did some research. The new C6 Corvette engine appears to be a larger displacement, so I am wondering if the 6.0L aluminum block is going to be the basis for this. The XV12 is listed on GM's website as direct-gasoline injection, so that rules that engine out until the sulfur content of our gasoline is dropped or eliminated. No information on location of sensors on the new blocks, that I found.

I does appear that the displacement on demand is well into its development stage, so I imagine that could be a reality at any time.

Todd

slow

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i was waiting for this to happen, with the 6.0 used in the H2's and luxury SUV's, and gasmilage requirements getting strict, i knew it was a matter of time,

if it is a direct bolt in, that would be SWEET.

Ryan.

Pro Stock John

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I hear all the 3 valve stuff is a bit a away, like 05//06.

I have been hearing about the V12 stuff ever since last July from internal sources. I bumped into a GM guy on vacation like year and he was the first one who told me about it.

bad2000ss

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I belive the V12 everyone is talking about is the concept Cadillac Cien 7.5L V12 motor. It is supposed to do 750hp and be able to run on 6 of the 12 cylinders for better fuel economy. Here's and article if anyone is interested...
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/020107na-4.htm

Now to figure out how to stuff it into my camaro.

WhiteDiamond

PSJ,

Here is some info posted by one of our members on the Corvette site about the 2005 Gen IV block. This may be more in line with what you are looking for:

Copied from post on Corvette site:

The engineÂ’s electronic throttle control (ETC) also is used to increase manifold pressure in V-4 mode so that the engine can maintain a V-8 torque load.

Gen IV features
Based on the architecture of the Gen III small-block introduced in GM trucks in 1999, the Gen IV engine incorporates several significant design changes:

* New casting for iron and aluminum blocks with redesigned oil galleries to support DOD oiling requirements
* Knock sensor locations moved out of lifter valley to provide room for DOD lifter oiling solenoids
* Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
* Higher capacity oil pump accommodates increased oil circulation requirements of DOD
* Coil-near-plug ignition has larger, more efficient coils that require less energy to produce a comparable spark
* Returnless fuel system for improved evaporative emissions
* Larger throttle body angled upward for improved water drainage
* Electronic throttle control (ETC) on all models for improved throttle response and DOD signaling
* Next-generation engine controller operates DOD, ETC and other engine functions
* Separate controller for transmission

Additionally, the Vortec 5300 benefits from continual improvements incorporated into later versions of the Gen III engine, including iridium-tip long-life spark plugs; pistons with floating wrist pins; a redesigned water pump that significantly reduces the probability of a leak; and a stronger, long-life timing chain. It also is compatible with E-85 fuel.

Gen IV engines share the deep skirt engine block design of previous GM truck engines. Extending below the crankshaft centerline, the rigid block contributes to world-class smoothness and strength. It also allows cross-bolted main bearing caps for additional strength and dimensional accuracy.


Hope that helps a little.
Todd

CamaroSS_2002

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Damnit, it looks like with that news it means without a serious re-configuration we won't be able to swap in the 6.0 Aluminum versions into our cars I was kinda waiting in hopes that I could do that.

Pro Stock John

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Thanks for that info that concurs with the info that I got last month.

The kicker for the swap is really the cam sensor. I'm sure we can mod the knock sensors, and unless the lifter setups have markedly different bores we can use that too.

WhiteDiamond

It would be nice if that is the only major issue, but I am rather concerned with the number of times the new oil passages where mentioned in the complete post. If they are majorly different, it may make it extremely difficult to use the new block with parts that are available today. The cam sensor change requires that new cams are ground as well, since the two "flags" the current LS engine use.

I guess the nice part of this is that it sounds like the new engines in the Vette, at least, are going to make some very nice horsepower increases!!!

Todd

Vengeance Racing

Pro Stock I have seen a 6.0 Aluminum Block it was about 1 year ago. It was a internal GM block I am sure because I really tried to get one and never did. It is the only one that I know of and I know who has it. I am not sure what was done with the block but it was suppose to be built into a BMF but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge. Let me know if you want more info on this I can get into alittle deeper. Emai me

BTW How did you like My GRUMPY's TOY at Bristol.

Cstraub

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GM sent us something in a crate the other day to build fixturing for the 24 cars of Daytona, I will see what I can find out. Will be after SEMA before I will know.

Cstraub

Scream

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Here is some more info that I've found on the GEN IV motors...

http://www.sae.org/automag/techbrief...1-111-9-26.pdf