99 Black Bird T/A

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I think my orginal question has been answered. I greatly apprecaite the help. There is good discussion below IMO

Fair price for machine work & labor to build a stroker motor?

Is $2000 to $2500 is about right for a top quality engine shop (professional racing world) doing the work. Checking the parts before being installed, honing/bore/torque plates etc plus checking all clearances/specifications again and again as the motor is gradually assembled with all machining done to ensure long life and max power.

Cricket99SS

Most of your costs seem inline with the 3 shops I have gotten quotes for. However, I was quoted $40 to assemble the rods/pistons, and $125 to assemble the shortblock. Thats bearings installed, crank, pistons, rods, all together. No cam, timing chain or oil pump.

I don't see how assembling the entire long block would add another $1100 to that, so I would sure as hell be slapping the heads and the rest of it together myself.

One other thing about the strok clearance you show there, is this going to be a 4.125" crank? I've heard from everyone a 4" clears no problem, so I just wanted to make sure you are going with the big stroke.

Good luck with the engine man, hopefully some other people will chime in here.

Reckless

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That settles it. i am going to become a sponsor here and sell forged bottom ends. Folks are getting *** raped around here Would you guys pay $3799 for a complete forged bottom end?

Slowhawk

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I just paid a little more than that for a complete 422 Aluminum shortblock

Shop's do charge alot of $$ for motor work.MTI quoted me around $6500

99 Black Bird T/A

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Has anyone ever had to clearance the block with a 4 inch crank?

Reckless, sounds like you got a good deal on your set up.

Cricket, I would be using the 4 inch crank. Sounds like we might be able to trim $160 off the price. The price for the $1250 is for taking it all apart, cleaning all the parts, putting the short block together & installing the heads, cam, oil pump, degreeing in cam, intake, fuel rails, injectors, TB etc.

Slowhawk, have any suggestions of who I should talk to for a 422 short block with that sweet price?

Jimmyz

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I'm very interested in this too. I'd like to know the best place (read best deal) to buy an LS6 block and a balanced assembly. I can't believe that people are pay $6500 - 8000 for these strokers. I would think one could buy the parts and save $3-4K no?

99 Black Bird T/A

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Best price I can find on the Eagle rotating assembly is ~$2100

A decent set of heads for it will hit you for at least $1800

Cam $375

The labor above seems typical from what the others said....so $1800

That's getting close to $6,000 already.

Jimmyz

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I've got everything except the rotating assembly and a new cam. Where can I get that $2100 price at?

99 Black Bird T/A

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These are the best sponsor deals on 382 short block/long blocks I've seen. Anyone know of a better deal?

Speed Inc.
SPORTSMAN SHORT BLOCK INCLUDES:
-Billet 4.00” stroke 4340 crank
-Billet 6.125” connecting rods
-Diamond Flat top Piston w/2cc reliefs or -8.6cc Boost pistons
-Diamond Pro-select rings
-High performance bearings
-All Gaskets, seals and hardware for short block
-Fully balanced/blueprinted/Finish hone w/torque plate, assembled
$4,599.99

Speed Inc.
SPORTSMAN LONG BLOCK INCLUDES:
-Custom Comp Cams Roller camshaft, Forced Induction or naturally aspirated
-Comp Cams Lifters
-Felpro Head gasket/bolt set
-Double roller timing chain
-SLP blueprinted oil pump
-RGR, MTI, GTP or AFR heads
$6,299.99 w/RGRheads
$6,999.99 w/GTP or MTI heads

CARTEK SMALL BORE 382 CID LS1 SHORT BLOCK
Lunati 4340 pro series crankshaft 4.000" stroke
Scat 4340 connecting rods 6.125"
JE custom forged pistons
Plasma moly rings set
Clevite H series race bearings
Rotating assembly fully balanced
Engine blueprinted
Cartek hyd. roller cam
Double roller adjustable timing chain
Fully assembled short block (Engine core required)
$6,750.00

MTI 383cid Stroker Engine Package
MTI can also provide a 383cid (6.3L) engine package using a non-modified LS1 block and a forged stroker crankshaft kit. This engine setup includes a stock aluminum LS1/LS6 block, 4.00" forged stroker crankshaft, custom forged pistons and rings, custom billet connecting rods, all new bearings,
Price MTI 383cid Stroker Shortblock $5,995 +exchange

strokedls1

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I paid 1300 for all of the above plus weight added to the crank for balancing ( I offset bored the crank 4-4.075), and a mock up of the crank and rear pistons. I assembled the whole long block with my buddy at home and saved cash and piece of mind that the job was done right. I am of the belief that you never pay for what you can do yourself. I agree that 1200 seems like a lot to assemble the motor. 4" should clear no problem as my 4.075 didn't need any extra block work. I would align hone the mains if your using studs. Torque plate the deck for a good seal on the heads.

antz01ta

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a 4" stroke will clear, my 4.125 did not, but it only cost me $50 to clearance the block.
as for disassembly and reassembly of the longblock $375.00.

Reckless

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Exactly what I mean. I do my own motors, that is why I can build one at low cost. I am considering getting a business license and becoming a sponsor here. Shortblocks only!

AP-Engineering

Remember guy's, you get what you pay for.

Jimmyz

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Most times this is very true. My experience in the LS1 engine world is this does NOT hold true. These companies are screwing people left and right, I know cause I'm one of them. The mark up on this LS1/LS6 stuff is NUTS! Callies (direct) is $2800 jobber for an LS1 balanced rotating assembly. SpeedDemon is selling the Eagle setup unbalanced for $1999.00 ??? WTF!

Reckless

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Agree Chris, but there is no rocket science involved here. Just solid machine work, quality parts, and solid assembly techniques. It isn't like engine assembly began with the LS1. It takes a competent person maybe 4-6 hours to assemble a short block, and that is hand filing the rings, inserting those darn spiro locks, and installing everything.

I am sure I can do it for much less tha the other guys, but I want to have a business license first, and become a sponsor. I do not plan on doing cylinder heads, but certainly would install cams and timing gears if they wanted. I plan on keeping it simple. Give folks a good foundation and let them do the rest of the homework. Bottom ends don't make power, they allow you to make power. Power is made with correct heads and cashafts and power adders.

The machine shop I use is state of the art and regularly build $20k+ race hemis. They have so many NHRA trophies in their shop they have to build new shelves all the time

Stalker WS6

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Well....Todd....I may be e-mailing you soon. You know that 408 we talked about?? Hehehe.......

AP-Engineering

Todd I was not knocking what you are trying to get started. I was just trying to keep people focused. If you look for the cheapest guy to build you a short block, you may not be getting the best. Not trying to say either that if you over spend you are going to get a quality engine. But I think that you have abetter chance.

Just do your home work before settling on someplace to build your engine. Also Todd, you are right, it isn't rocket science. But short blocks can make power and all short blocks are not created equal!

Chris

2001 Pewter WS6

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I paid $600 for machine work and balancing. I cleaned and assembled it myself. My short block with the Lunati Stroker kit, double roller timing chain, new cam, ported oil pump and Comp R lifters wasw less than $5000 with the machine work.

Reckless

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That's a great price considering you used Lunati products. Not bad at all!

Chris, I know you were not referring to me, just wanted to make a point

2001 Pewter WS6

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I wanted to buy everything as a matched set. It is a very nice and complete kit from Lunati. It may cost a bit more, especially since the Eagle Cranks are out, but I had zero issues installing it...