BoneSS

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I have been thinking about upgrading to the TSP 228/581 on a 114, PP 5.7 S2 Heads from TSP (I have read all the madness that has gone on about PP also), with their full package along with a LS6 intake, and ported tb, probably Bauer or Jaztner, here soon. I would be going with those heads since I have a 98, so I can get them for a 1000, or the complete cam/heads/gaskets/bolts/timing chain for under 1500. Dheck has helped me out with this cam selection as I was afraid of getting a cam too big for my stall. Gomer and JRP have said to look toward a Futral cam, which I am doing at this time also. Do you think I would see a nice gain by going with this cam over my present one, or should I leave it alone? How much would I gain by going with the Futral you think?

Ron@Vengeance

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I would think you would see nice gains with the FMS camshaft. Allans cams tend to make more power under the curve than most others I have tried personally. FMS/TEA combos are making great power these days. Thats just something for you to consider

jrp

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, and thats the reason i've been turned on to FMS cams

bigeller

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I vote for the TSP cam.. I love mine.. I have a TSP 228R cam and made 400/400 unlocked with the vig 3200.. 425hp locked... Not bad for an A4. There is another guy around my area making right around 400/400 with the same cam..

Ron@Vengeance

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bigeller, Im not speakin negative about TSP. They are an awesome shop. BUT I could care less about 400 this and 420 that. Again, no offense, but power UNDER the curve is what is most important. Same thing goes with flow #s. .600 #s are great and all, but what about the rest of the lift #s. I made 435 with a TSP 231/237, but the power under the curve got stomped by a FMS 228/230.

All to often on the internet people get caught up in the peak #s and I just wanted to share the importance of power under the curve as well... IE look @ Verbs post on his 50rwhp problem and check out the graph he posted. The graphs peak ALMOST the same, but from one cam to another theres a HUGE difference under the curve.

This will be my last post in this thread per PSJs new forum guidelines and I dont want to come off as bashing any shops. Please PM me if anyone wants to discuss anything further.

-Joseph-

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IMO there won't be enough difference between the two cams (228R vs. F10) to even matter, well the 228R has 7 thousanths (.007") more lift if you'd like to look at details. Back almost 2 years ago when the 228R was considered big, we did 445rwhp with a heads/cam C5 that we were playing around with and about 595rwhp (N20 tune) on a 150 shot TNT. Which was enough to run 10.51 @ 138mph with a lazy 1.65 60 foot time.

LS1ITLDO from here has the PP 5.7 perimeter heads and the 228R camshaft, maybe he will chime in if he see's this.

BoneSS

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Thanks Joseph and everyone else. Looks like I need to do some more research. Like I said, the package from TSP is nice b/c of the price. Does anyone have any overlays of a FMS vs TSP cam of about the same sizes for comparison?

Jason 98 TA

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445rwhp/415 lb ft of torque in a full exhaust c5 with a 228R camshaft back a year & a half ago atleast... We have several new lobes developed though that you might call me about. I have a few new lobes available that are really close to the 228 duration, but have great potential to make big power. Feel free to drop me a IM or give us a call & I would be glad to discuss them with you.

94form2000z

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That was with a not so great tune.

dheck

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Don't get me wrong...FMS makes excellent cams. I have had experience with both TSP and FMS cams. And they do make great power under the curve. But so did my TSP 231. I think you will be happy with either cam you go with. But if it were me, and the cams being so similar, I would go with the TSP for the price. My TSP cam and patriot heads made crazy power. 395 on a mustang dyno through a 3400 stall. I installed a FM11 cam in a buddies car and he said he felt like he gained a lot under the curve though we dont have dyno numbers yet. But with the stall how much do you really need under the curve? Both are excellent cams and whatever choice you make you will not be dissapointed.

bigeller

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7.28 @ 93.40 1.60 60' @ 3700 race weight hitting the rev limiter isn't bad for the lil ole TSP 228R.. Here are my unlocked numbers..

93Polo

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What heads were on that car?

-Joseph-

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Ported and milled 6.0L heads. They flowed around 295ish or so on the intake, not the best we've had and the source of the heads went way downhill from there.

BoneSS

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Are the cam motion lobes that Allan uses hard on springs at all? I don't want to turn this into TSP vs. FMS, I was just wanting to see some dyno sheets or see some guys speak out with those cams. It looks like everyone has made some awesome numbers either way. Looks like I need to keep reading

ls1itldo

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I have the old "FU2" cam basically same as the 228R but on a 111 lsa. I recently put on the PP 5.7 stage 2 heads and I have been very impressed with them. I didnt get a chance to dyno yet or go to the track but the seat of the pants dyno feels nice. The price was right too.

BoneSS

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Here is 00SS4780:
2000 A4 SS
Patriot 5.3 S II, TSP 228R, LS6 oil pump, LS6 intake, SY3500, Transgo-shift, B&M Cooler, Hooker L-Tubes, 373, LS1-Edit, ASP pulley, Bauer tb, 85mm mass air
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...achmentid=2191

770Boy 2000 NBM SS |TEA S2 5.3|FMS Custom Cam (FM11 I think)|Kooks Headers|Hooker Catback|Spec S3|LS6 Intake|ASP Pulley|D&D T56|Strange 12bolt 4.30 gears
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...87752195BFxokb

I know the cams are not exactly the same, the trannies are different, but the area looks about the same to me, but I might not be looking at them right. That is why I post

00SS4780

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I love my setup! The car drives fine and runs good at the track. With the convertor my car sucks at the sixty foot mark but makes good mph. All I have around here is 1/8 mile and it runs 7.55 @96.4 with a 1.76 sixty foot. Will the others work better, maybe, but this was all at a good prise and what I could afford. Like stated above. It has to do alot with under the curve, and not being the dyno queen. Good luck with your choice man.

BoneSS

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Thanks for the feedback. It is an awesome price...

00SS4780

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No problem. Let me know if you have any questions. Good luck.

BoneSS

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Can anyone tell much of a difference between the power under the curve between those 2 I posted?