Bbk vs kooks headers on ls1
12-15-2013, 05:04 PM
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Bbk vs kooks headers on ls1 Ok so I'm starting my winter build on my 99 z28 I'm going for 450-500 hp looking for low 12 high 11 come spring. I'm trying to figure out if the extra 400+ dollars are worth it to get the kooks headrs. That money could be don't else where on my build so I continue to go back and forth. What is everyone's thought between the two,many hp gain diff??
Also eventually planning on going blown.
Also eventually planning on going blown.
12-15-2013, 05:19 PM
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Ok so I'm starting my winter build on my 99 z28 I'm going for 450-500 hp looking for low 12 high 11 come spring. I'm trying to figure out if the extra 400+ dollars are worth it to get the kooks headrs. That money could be don't else where on my build so I continue to go back and forth. What is everyone's thought between the two,many hp gain diff?? Also eventually planning on going blown.
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12-16-2013, 08:33 AM
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Im shooting for 500 to the crank so im laying down around 450rwhp is more like what im hoping for. Ive heard 1 7/8 is to big unless i go blown to much out not enough air in. Im not sure ive never built a car im just going based on asking around. But it seems here that 1 7/8 is popular.... im open to either really i dont really think i need 1 7/8 i could be wrong tho.
12-16-2013, 08:40 AM
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COST to HP i would imagine TSP or BBK would get me the same gains as KOOKS thus HP gain be cheaper?
12-16-2013, 08:43 AM
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You're leaving power on the table not running the 1-7/8...
And TSP has the cheapest stainless 1-7/8 you can get. Although, if you look hard enough you can usually get Kooks on sale. I'd recommend those. They will make more power due to the merge collector design.
And TSP has the cheapest stainless 1-7/8 you can get. Although, if you look hard enough you can usually get Kooks on sale. I'd recommend those. They will make more power due to the merge collector design.
12-16-2013, 08:45 AM
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Im shooting for 500 to the crank so im laying down around 450rwhp is more like what im hoping for. Ive heard 1 7/8 is to big unless i go blown to much out not enough air in. Im not sure ive never built a car im just going based on asking around. But it seems here that 1 7/8 is popular.... im open to either really i dont really think i need 1 7/8 i could be wrong tho.
12-16-2013, 11:37 AM
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Don't get me wrong, 1 7/8 is on the larger size for the cubes we run. For example I will be running 1 3/4 but again that is my personal preference. I should be at 400-425 at the wheels when I'm done. But I'm a mild build. And I know that I won't be going crazy in the future. If you know eventually your going to do more or add a blower maybe. I would definitely say 1 7/8 no doubt about it. Simple rule I go by for parts. Always consider the future. Just examples here. Blower, ported heads and a big cam, lots of nitrous, stuff like that would require more flow to properly put the power down. I hope I've helped.
12-16-2013, 01:03 PM
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This is in no way a true statement. All SS is not created equal. Kooks Headers and Exhaust use only 304 grade stainless steel sourced directly from the US. We also use our years of building headers and understanding exhaust science to design the best header with the best craftsmanship on the market. We have done such a good job at building headers over the years are long tubes are easily the most copied out there. The difference is we build our headers right here in the US (Not China), with US labor, and stand behind it with a lifetime warranty. If you want the best choose Kooks.
12-16-2013, 02:42 PM
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^^^
This is in no way a true statement. All SS is not created equal. Kooks Headers and Exhaust use only 304 grade stainless steel sourced directly from the US. We also use our years of building headers and understanding exhaust science to design the best header with the best craftsmanship on the market. We have done such a good job at building headers over the years are long tubes are easily the most copied out there. The difference is we build our headers right here in the US (Not China), with US labor, and stand behind it with a lifetime warranty. If you want the best choose Kooks.
This is in no way a true statement. All SS is not created equal. Kooks Headers and Exhaust use only 304 grade stainless steel sourced directly from the US. We also use our years of building headers and understanding exhaust science to design the best header with the best craftsmanship on the market. We have done such a good job at building headers over the years are long tubes are easily the most copied out there. The difference is we build our headers right here in the US (Not China), with US labor, and stand behind it with a lifetime warranty. If you want the best choose Kooks.
12-16-2013, 04:37 PM
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If you CALL maryland speed I will bet money they can get you within 150 of the tsp price for the headers. Again you must call because they cannot advertise the real price online. Where are you getting double? Even just searching I find kooks for 850 ahipped and tsp is 530 plus shipping so almost 600...
And yes kooks is correct 304 stainless is not always 304. QC on the place of man ufacture can vary by quite a bit. TSP makes a nice product however they have some issues with disconnecting the motor mount and steering linkages as well as the oil filter adapters to get the headers to slide up. Research that on here.
Another company to look into is American Racing. I am a bit biased here but I like AR the best. Mine literally fell into place without removing anything and the quality is top notch. I've put in several different headers... The best have been AR BBK and Kooks in that order, after that would be Pacesetter/grotoyohan and tsp.
For the record I would gladly pay the 150-200 more for AR or Kooks, the quality is the best in the business bar none and its made with American Steel. I'd rather line the pockets of workers in this country and give them a little extra cash to keep them working than having it outsourced to China.
I'm not bashing tsp because for someone where th 150 is a deal breaker then they are a great option but if you have the cash KOOKS OR ARH are the best
And yes kooks is correct 304 stainless is not always 304. QC on the place of man ufacture can vary by quite a bit. TSP makes a nice product however they have some issues with disconnecting the motor mount and steering linkages as well as the oil filter adapters to get the headers to slide up. Research that on here.
Another company to look into is American Racing. I am a bit biased here but I like AR the best. Mine literally fell into place without removing anything and the quality is top notch. I've put in several different headers... The best have been AR BBK and Kooks in that order, after that would be Pacesetter/grotoyohan and tsp.
For the record I would gladly pay the 150-200 more for AR or Kooks, the quality is the best in the business bar none and its made with American Steel. I'd rather line the pockets of workers in this country and give them a little extra cash to keep them working than having it outsourced to China.
I'm not bashing tsp because for someone where th 150 is a deal breaker then they are a great option but if you have the cash KOOKS OR ARH are the best
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If you CALL maryland speed I will bet money they can get you within 150 of the tsp price for the headers. Again you must call because they cannot advertise the real price online.
And yes kooks is correct 304 stainless is not always 304. QC on the place of man ufacture can vary by quite a bit. TSP makes a nice product however they have some issues with disconnecting the motor mount and steering linkages as well as the oil filter adapters to get the headers to slide up. Research that on here.
Another company to look into is American Racing. I am a bit biased here but I like AR the best. Mine literally fell into place without removing anything and the quality is top notch. I've put in several different headers... The best have been AR BBK and Kooks in that order, after that would be Pacesetter/grotoyohan and tsp.
For the record I would gladly pay the 150-200 more for AR or Kooks, the quality is the best in the business bar none and its made with American Steel. I'd rather line the pockets of workers in this country and give them a little extra cash to keep them working than having it outsourced to China.
I'm not bashing tsp because for someone where th 150 is a deal breaker then they are a great option but if you have the cash KOOKS OR ARH are the best
And yes kooks is correct 304 stainless is not always 304. QC on the place of man ufacture can vary by quite a bit. TSP makes a nice product however they have some issues with disconnecting the motor mount and steering linkages as well as the oil filter adapters to get the headers to slide up. Research that on here.
Another company to look into is American Racing. I am a bit biased here but I like AR the best. Mine literally fell into place without removing anything and the quality is top notch. I've put in several different headers... The best have been AR BBK and Kooks in that order, after that would be Pacesetter/grotoyohan and tsp.
For the record I would gladly pay the 150-200 more for AR or Kooks, the quality is the best in the business bar none and its made with American Steel. I'd rather line the pockets of workers in this country and give them a little extra cash to keep them working than having it outsourced to China.
I'm not bashing tsp because for someone where th 150 is a deal breaker then they are a great option but if you have the cash KOOKS OR ARH are the best
12-16-2013, 05:04 PM
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True... Not all stainless is the same. See SLP as a prime example. They started making their catbacks out of 409SS and a lot of folks weren't happy.
At the end if the day OP, the choice is yours. I'd gladly support US Made if it was within the budget. But just bc TSP might be made overseas, doesn't mean the QA/QC stops there.
My Camaro numbers were made with TSP 1 7/8" and I loved them. Didn't have to remove the oil block off though... Not sure where that's coming from. First I've heard of it.
For the steering linkage, it's 2 15mm bolts and takes all of two minutes. It's easy. Also never had to touch a motor mount. You have to finagle them a bit, but they slide up and in easy.
At the end if the day OP, the choice is yours. I'd gladly support US Made if it was within the budget. But just bc TSP might be made overseas, doesn't mean the QA/QC stops there.
My Camaro numbers were made with TSP 1 7/8" and I loved them. Didn't have to remove the oil block off though... Not sure where that's coming from. First I've heard of it.
For the steering linkage, it's 2 15mm bolts and takes all of two minutes. It's easy. Also never had to touch a motor mount. You have to finagle them a bit, but they slide up and in easy.