seaweed

Would like to get your recommendations on a cam grind that would give me the following (listed in order of importance):

- Lots of low end hp/tq
- Not much additional necessary parts to buy (springs, etc)
- Little or No tuning required
- Slightly lopey idle

Thanks!!

luv2spd

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Maybe the TR 220 on a 112.

CamTom12

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I've never used any of their products, but there's a couple of guys on here that have great things to say about the Vinci High Performance Accelerated Lift cams. LINK

LS1Maniac

Hotcam is the only one I can think of off hand. There's a lot of cams out there that will turn out much better numbers and won't be as lopey but most don't have the low end-torque of the hotcam.

With the hotcam all you need is the cam and ls6 springs. There is no cam that doesn't require at least springs.

As far as tuning goes, you can get away with driving it untuned in an M6. You will get twice the horsepower if you tune it however and it will have much better street manners. If you have an A4 you have to have tuning with any cam in order to keep it from dying.

nuzee

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CompCams 206/212 .515/.522 112 is a very torquey lowend cam. The difference can be felt right off-idle.

No tuning needed. Installed on a 112 centerline, the idle is not stock-smooth, just a tiny bit of chop. I don't know how it would idle installed on a 110 cl, probably smoother.

Oh, most importantly, WELCOME to the board!

seaweed

Thanks for all the quick replies, I have actually been looking at both the Hotcam and the CC 206/212 .515/.522 112 as my best choices. How do the two compare in terms of performance, tuning need, etc? I was told the CC may be too mild, but i was leaning toward it for the low-end, how does it perform in the mid and high though ? Btw, the car is an M6 so thats a plus also, nuzee, how much did the entire job run you for your CC, install and all?

nuzee

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1/8 mph gained ~3mph but it didn't carry over in the 1/4. I netted just a 1mph gain in the 1/4. The lowend to midrange power feels strong, after that it feels similar to stock. I run a stock torque converter and shift at 6300rpm. I was looking for a cam that would improve my 60 ft without losing anything up top.

For you, with an M6, this cam would be too small. A cam that starts to pull from 1200-1500 rpm would be a wiser choice. Anyway, my 2 cents

LS1Maniac

The Hotcam is about the weakest cam you can get but it fills your requirements which is the only reason I mentioned it. I would go with the CC 206 or a comparable grind.

nuzee

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$320 for cam
$100 for springs
$30 for gaskets, fluids, etc.
I made my own tools to hold the lifters up from a magnetix toy set & tie-wire

OWENMUSTANG

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I would check out vinci.. please note any of these cams will require valve springs!!

jbuckweiser

the Hotcam is weakest compared to what? I thot Nuzee gave a pretty accurate
report on the cc206. The Hotcam has more under the curve and rougher idle.
Seaweed you didn't say if you had auto/m-6. I have the Hotcam as you might've
guessed, but for the time and effort installing a cam why go so small. I even agree
that a cc220 on a 114/112 would be in the right direction without tuning, but a
spring upgrade still should be considered.

seaweed

M6. Im trying to go small because i really dont want to do tuning until i get some more mods in.... i have a few more things planned for next year and i dont want to tune and retune, so i'll end up running it without tuning for about a year and want a good experience.

I've looked at the Vinci cams and they actually look pretty good. I like 047 and 062:

047
DUR @ .004" 272*/280*
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*
LIFT .531 / .531
OVERLAP 52*
LSA 112*

062
DUR @ .004" 272*/280*
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*
LIFT .551 / .551
OVERLAP 52*
LSA 112*

What should i expect from either of these especially when it comes to low-end? Thanks again everyone?

jbuckweiser

for close to the same $$ I would change r-end ratio. Y0u'd get close to same results
and save money for cam/head/headers. Also a ported t-body for not much$ is a good
mod.

z98

220/220 is the least I'd want to go.

I think the T1 cam is the B1 on a 112? You might want to check it out.

luv2spd

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Those should give you a great low and mid end while still improving the top end.

seaweed

actually 4.10's are in the planning also but on a c5, upgrading the rear is a bit pricey so im still leaning towards the two vinci's and maybe the cc 206....

CamTom12

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I'm running a C1 (222/222 .566/.566 on 112LSA) with no tuning. I noticed an increase in low-mid torque, but more in the middle of the powerband. With tuning it'd probably get more all around, but that's how it feels untuned.

To give a driving example, I don't like to be in 6th any lower than 70 mph. It has enough to pull from 60 mph, but it's pretty slow and I feather the pedal to stop ping (I guess there's a cylinder pressure spike in that range). From 70 on up it pulls pretty hard compared to stock.

seaweed

I think i've made my decision.... I think ill go for the CC 206/212... i know i know most consider it a weak cam, but for my driving, mostly street driving at 1k-3k rpm, i think this cam will do great.... Now another question for you guys, how will this cam do with a supercharger? I heard that some people experience some pinging aroound 2-3k rpm with this cam because of higher cylinder pressures? is this true? if so perhaps its not a good idea to run it with a supercharger? the supercharger will be a roots based, so boost throughout the rpm range Also, should i make any considerations when selecting springs in light of the supercharger?

my goal (once i hit the lotto i think): roots supercharger + torquy cam + 4.10 rear, omg that thing is going to lift off the ground with the right tires ;-)

jz06man

I;ve got the Vinici 062 cam.. It great 2000-6000 rpm's.. You can realy feel a differance from 2000-5000 rpm's... the 047 is the same cam spec's, but only less lift... I have a little lope at idle, but i installed the vinici 1.70 rockers... I would do the 062 cam, without the rockers..

Tranzor

If you want a supercharger, you don't want a 'lopey' cam with a 112 lsa... you want a 114 lsa or higher on boost.

If you're going with 4.10 gears too, I honestly don't think low end torque/hp is what you will want, IMO. 4.10s make you go through the powerband REAL quick, so it's best to get a cam that will extend the powerband instead of shorten it.