TOZ

Well Cmotorsport sold me a cam that needs to be degreed. I didn`t ask for this. Should I return it or degree it ?
I spoke to Comp and they said I have to advance my cam 4 degrees. It is really a pain in the *** for what i`ve read, so hopefully someone here can guide me and make it simpler for me.

mr2guru

iTrader: (16)

first thing first....do you have an adjustable timing set?

TOZ

No, everything is stock. exept for the cam.

jrp

iTrader: (16)

well, all cams should be degreed...

what ICL was your cam supposed to be ground on and what did they give you?

mr2guru

iTrader: (16)

Well you can't change it anyway without an adjustable timing set.

Full-Force

iTrader: (11)

leave it alone, unless you are gonna buy an adjustable sprocket

TOZ

Would this work ? Can i do the advance just with this and not having the need of the dialer and all that crap ?

Rollmaster Double-Roller Timing Chain
Rollmaster's Double Roller Timing Chain Set is designed for 1997-04 LS1/LS6 engines. The set contains an adjustable, 9 keyway crankshaft sprocket, camshaft sprocket, double row chain, 2 oil pump spacer plates, and hardware. This new timing chain set will allow for timing adjustment advance or retard of 8 degrees. The double chain provides better strength, accuracy and durability. The sprockets are nitrated for even higher strength and longevity. All necessary parts, hardware, and detailed instructions are included.

SouthFL.02.SS

Well, most cams sold by our sponsors are already degreed, so you just stick it in and line up the dots. If these guys are saying that you must install it, then degree it yourself, and you don't have the proper tools or knowhow to degree the cam, either A)get the tools and learn the knowhow or B)send that cam back.

If it were me, I'd go with B.
What are the cam specs by the way?

And finally, yes, all cams should be degreed (though most of us do dot to dot) for max gains.

ls1290

iTrader: (20)

I disagree. Unless you do not trust the source you got the cam from, there is no need to degree a LSX based cam. Degreeing cams in the past was essential to make sure the cam was aligned correctly with the crankshaft. With a LSX based motor, as long as the cam and crank timing sprocs are lined up correctly, all is good.

Keith

SouthFL.02.SS

^My ol' car picked up 10rwhp (at least) with a degreed re-install. It picked up 20rwhp overall from a degreed reinstall, new plugs and further tuning. Using a cam dial is the only true method to make sure everything's lined up. Dot to dot works fine enough, therefore most of us don't bother with the cam dial.

SideStep

I have them same timing set. It only allows static increments of adv or rtd, in 2 degree values. If you "KNOW" you want 2, 4, 6 etc. then you are good to go with this set. If after degreeing you find you need to move 2.5 degrees (for example) you are out of luck with this set.

If you want more granular degreeing measurements go with the CompCams fully adjustable timing set, also I think Crane is coming out with a new one.

The big question is if you already have +4 advance on the cam why do you want more??? You are going to really kill your high-rpm power.

SouthFL.02.SS

The bigger question is if the cam is ground with +4, or if it needs to be installed with +4.

SideStep

Yupper.. I was just noticing that....

If you bought the cam from CompCams just call them with the serial number and they will tell you what if any advance the cam has...

TOZ

The Cam was bought from Cmotorsport and it was custom grinde by COMP, I did speak with Comp and after checking the serial number and being just a 114.0 LSA he said I have to advance it 4º. I Wish I would have known this before I finished my installation.
The spects on the Cam are: 222/224 114LSA 0.564/0.569 COMP CAM.
Check this thread for my 2 Dyno sheets before and after.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ght=degree+cam

I think it would be much easier if I can put a Adjustable timing set. What do you think ? Go with that or dial the cam ?

SouthFL.02.SS

After reading that thread, since you're pulling that cam, I'd ditch it and throw in a proven TR224 or any other of the 224ish cams available from our sponsors (TSP, MTI, FUTRAL, etc). Pull that sucker out, you don't have to get an adj. timing set, and slide the new cam in, dot to dot.
Your Macs weren't hurting you either. They're good headers.

TOZ

Damn I just went and bought Jethots and X pipe. Got a good deal tho.

1fastWS6

iTrader: (3)

Why didn't Comp grind it with 4* advance built in if they knew it was supposed to be that way? Sounds like either CMS or Comp F'd up, or the tech you talked to didn't give you the right info and it really does have 4* gound in it already.

At any rate, if it does indeed need to be advanced, you can easily advance it using the stock cam gear and an offset bushing. I did it when I degree'd my F13 cam. You can get the bushings from Summit or Jeg's, etc.

Also keep in mind, advancing it will pick up low end, but at the expense of high end HP usually.

SouthFL.02.SS

Well, it's an improvement regardless, so it's not money wasted. Good luck!

Danny2tek

iTrader: (1)

Danny I would send it back and like Carlos said go with a different one. I know it sucks to have to remove it.

TOZ

I got the SLP Doble Chain Adjustable Timing Set with the little degree numbers on it. Would that be enough to degree the Cam. ??? And How ???