redbanditz28

I went there today, and for the most part i liked what i had heard. Seem like they are very professional with everything and they work on a lot of cars at one time. Many 9 second vettes, camaros and GTOs. Anywho, I got some pricing. I personally think its a little too high for the engine components.

Stage 2 heards, includes full porting heads intake, exhaust, and combustion chamber, new custom stainless valves, 2.02 intake, 1.57 exhaust, seals, custom dual springs, spring seats seals, titanium retainers, cleaned and assembles. 2,350.00 .
Stage 2 Cam 399.00
rollmaster roller timing chain 160.00
z06 oil pump. for rollmaster 130.00
cromoly hardened push rods 130.00
30# injectors 250.00
Misc, parts, gaskets, blts, fluids, etc2 45.00
High flow 160 degree thermostat 59.96
ECU Reprogram 550.00
labor to install 1200.00
Kooks stainless steel headers 1 3/4 long tube 864.90
3 in y pipe with igh flow cats 575.00

=6,913.86 in total.

He says this alone would drop me to about the mid 11 second mark.
I mean i trust him completely, but for that money i can get this from speed inc.com

F-Body LS1 Sportsman 348 Close
SPORTSMAN LONG BLOCK INCLUDES:
-Polished& refinished factory LS1 crankshaft
-Billet 6.125” connecting rods
-Diamond Flat top Piston w/2cc reliefs or -8.6cc Boost pistons
-Diamond Pro-select rings
-High performance bearings
-All Gaskets, seals and hardware
-Custom Comp Cams Roller camshaft, Forced Induction or naturally aspirated
-Comp Cams Lifters
-Comp Cams chrome moly pushrods
-Double roller timing chain
-SLP blueprinted oil pump
-ASP SFI approved underdrive pulley
-RGR, MTI, or Patriot GTP stage 2 premium cylinder heads
-Fully balanced/blueprinted/Finish hone w/torque plate, assembled
-Everything Professionally Installed
-Fully Professionally Dynotuned
for 7,500.00

just-a-z

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I'd go speed inc all the way.

NOSjohn

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Yes, you can go fast several different ways. It just boils down to what you want to spend your money on. If your motor has high miles on it, spray it until it dies.

redbanditz28

I am confused though. Why is it for just a little more money, i can get a completely new longblock with all that i included from speed inc that almost has everything that the quote from cartek has in it? Am i missing something here? Installation isn't a big deal if i bought a fully functional 348 engine. I can have my mechanic install that for me for cheap Its just seems like having almost a new engine for 7500.00 versus justa head and cam pacakge for almost 7000.00 don't make sense. I mean i assume speed inc actually includes the longblock in that quote i posted.

11 Bravo

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There you go. You get what you pay for.

DocEwww

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First off youre getting exhaust with Cartek's package. Speed Inc's price with exhaust is 8939.90, so 9K compared to 6900. Who knows if that 9K price will come down if you want them to ship the engine rather than install, then you'd have to pay somebody to install/tune it.

Theres pro and cons to each package.

Speed Inc:
Brand new bottom end (whos rods are these??)

Cartek's:
-Better Head and Cam package (you'll go faster N/A)
-You KNOW what youre getting with this package, theyre installing/tuning their own setup, no chance whatsoever of a disaster
-Injectors/exhaust
-price


and after all that...if you're in NJ, I'd look into TTP's AFR/Equalizer Camshaft package. It runs around the price of that Cartek setup and makes KILLER power.

92SilverSHO

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Well prices in the NE are pretty much the most expensive in the country, if you go south or midwest, prices come down a decent amount at least when i do research. If you really want to save, buy your own parts and get them installed, thats what im going to do.

1bdindn

I'd go Speed Inc. for sure. You're getting a fresh motor for close to the same money as Carteks bolt ons.

NOBR8KSS

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You're going to pay an extra $2,000 for a forged motor? Do you need one? How many miles are on the motor you intend to have this work done on? Are you going to supercharge/turbocharge it in the future?

If you want to compare prices, then you should compare apples to apples to get a better idea of who gets you more for your money.

MagikMan

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I'd honestly go with cartek... actually I did :-P They will make better power.... Their cars are just fast...

92SilverSHO

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well i know forcefed sells 408 longblocks, heads/cam and so on, forged internals for like under 6k last time i checked.

~JOSHUA

iTrader: (92)

I'd buy a D1 tuner kit for $3.8k used or $5k new. Add a fuel pump and injectors and you have so much more than all motor mods. Put some cheap Escalade 6.0 heads($300) on it and turn up the boost. Plus you'll have that killer blower whine.

You can always turn up the wick with boost without any of the drivability problems of all motor mods(cam surge, etc). Plus you can buy a used blower cam here on the board and with some Comp 918 springs at only $169 new, it'll make a blown LSx that much nastier.

I'd boost it.

Grimes

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FWIW, I know a person who went there for major engine work like you, and he was very happy with the way things turned out.

jRaskell

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Take a look at Speed Inc's power packages. You'll see pricing similar to Cartek's.

It's not that Cartek's pricing is high, it's just that Speeds longblock package pricing is that good. Of course, not all heads are created equal either. Speeds power packages use AFR heads. Cartek's heads are also a step above the heads used in that longblock package as well.

Beast96Z

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Cartek has always been a tad high. I agree with some of the others who said go to TTP or someone trust worthy that is close. You'll get better pricing that way. If your motor isn't toast, then I would look to get the price of the H/C package back in check. You could have AFR's for the price of the Cartek heads, or possibally ETP's if they could find some. You do have more options. You just have to look around. FWIW, this isn't a bash on Cartek, they do good work, but I think everyone knows they are priced a little high.

TTPMatt

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We have a few different packages.

TTP Stage 3 Equalizer Heads/Cam Package


TTP AFR 205cc CNC Heads with Dual Springs, Titanium Retainers - Finish
Ported/Polished by TTP
TTP Equalizer V.3 Camshaft
TTP Hardened Chromoly Pushrods
Rollmaster Double Roller Timing Chain
SVO 30lb Injectors
GM Steel Headgasket Kit
(2x) GM Headbolt Kits
(2x) AIR Gaskets
(1x) EGR Gasket (If needed)
GM Timing Cover Seal
GM Timing Cover Gasket
(2x) GM Waterpump Gaskets
Installation
LS1 Edit Full Custom Dyno Tuning (Part throttle, wide open throttle, custom timing map, removal of engine codes)
$5775.00 Turn-Key (Add $100 for Corvettes)

This package just made 482rwhp/418rwtq through a 2002 Camaro M6 with LSX 90mm, Mez Electric W/Pump, 4.10 gears, SLP Loudmouth, Kooks 1 3/4" LTs, ORY.

This package also made 474rwhp/429rwtq through a 2003 Z06 with Stock LS6 Intake, Stock Throttle Body, Mez Elec Water Pump, Borla Stingers, Kooks 1 3/4" with OR X-Pipe.

This package will get you into the low 11's to high 10's depends on weight, etc.

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TTP Stage 4R Equalizer Heads/Cam Package F-Body

TTP AFR 225cc CNC Heads with Dual Springs, Titanium Retainers - Finish
Ported/Polished by TTP (Milled to 63cc)
TTP Equalizer Version 3.1 Camshaft
TTP Hardened Chromoly Pushrods
Rollmaster Double Roller Timing Chain
SVO 30lb Injectors
Flycut Pistons
GM Steel Headgasket Kit
(2x) GM Headbolt Kits
(2x) AIR Gaskets
(1x) EGR Gasket (If needed)
GM Timing Cover Seal
GM Timing Cover Gasket
(2x) GM Waterpump Gaskets
Installation
LS1 Edit Full Custom Dyno Tuning (Part throttle, wide open throttle, custom timing map, removal of engine codes)
$6550.00 Turn-Key (Add $100 for Corvettes)

Package Options:

Add $1250 for LSX 90mm, NW 90mm TB, port matched to heads.
Add $625 for Meziere Electric Water Pump wired with relay.
Add $1285 for Kooks 1 3/4" + Catted Y-Pipe Installed.

This is what this combination made on a 98 Camaro, 6-speed, TTP S4 package, mez elec. pump and 90mm LSX.

With the correct header setup and suspension, this is easily 10 second capable.



Customer's old heads/cam package is in the red.

redbanditz28

Thanks for the help. you guys gave some great replies. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm liking that TTP Stage 4 package. I figure if i add a turbo on to that, i should reach low 10's with no problem. What do you guys think?

Firehawk441

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I am a frequent visitor at the New Jersey racetracks. At least 1-2 days a week during the season. I see MANY cars from both of these N.J. companies at the track on a regular basis. Aside from the pricing, Cartek cars run better E.T's. I'm only answering the post, not trying to ruffle any feathers.

davered00ss

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Get the forged shortblock.

calongo_SS

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I don't think you should put a turbo on that particular h/c setup. If you want to go FI, you don't want a N/A oriented h/c setup to start with. If you want to go turbo, I'd get that first, then get a turbo cam and some heads that will give you a lower CR.