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Old 03-24-2006, 10:14 PM   #1
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does anyone have some good info or experience with one of there new z-cam lobes??please share if ya do
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well i have tried it on a wrangler with an ls1 swap using a 98 camaro engine with the old casting not 241 with cam , headers only no underdive pulley and a bad cam sensor
we were able to achieve 360 rwhp oh and i forgot to mention that was on 31" tires.
and a nice torque curve i am not sure but its in the range 365-375 rwtq . well there is this other wrangler with 2002 camaro engine 241 castings unported with a g5x3 or x2 it made 350rwhp with the same setup . but if u want to run a 228/232 crane z-cam make sure u retard it i would say -3 or -2 they are ground with +5 from crane , thats what we will do i will try to post a dyno. hope i helped
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I liked the larger of the zcams, one of them was doing .600 lift and was mild (228 or so from what I remember).....
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I'm interested in thesse cams as well, I see SDPC sells them with varying ranges. They've got one with 236/236 duration 113 551/600 lift. I was thinking either this or 228/228 112 for my daily driver. Not sure how any of these cams perform, and crane wasn't the biggest help. They told me to stick to the 220/224 114 cam for the street, anything bigger would be to big. Can't see how that could be-seems like a pretty mild cam.
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Any more info on these? Did a search and this was the only thing it came up with. Since the last post was back in March, is there any more real world feedback on these cams?

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Call Roger at Vinci High Performance. He can tell you all you want to know about these cams. They have done most of the R&D for Crane on their LSx engine parts and combinations.

I have their XXX cam (222/228, 551/551, 115+3) that I will be installing in about a month. I'll post feedback when the install and tune is complete.
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There is someone on here running their 228/232 or 228/234 (not sure which) with .600/.600 lift and I think 112 LSA with +5 advance, and he realy likes it. I have considered it to some degree, but have just about decided to go with a Comp custom instead, mainly due to the lack of knowledge on the Crane profiles.
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There is someone on here running their 228/232 or 228/234 (not sure which) with .600/.600 lift and I think 112 LSA with +5 advance, and he realy likes it. I have considered it to some degree, but have just about decided to go with a Comp custom instead, mainly due to the lack of knowledge on the Crane profiles.

That could be me, and it does seem to be exactly what I wanted.
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does anyone have some good info or experience with one of there new z-cam lobes??please share if ya do
i use there cams in all my lsx stuff. i work with them on custom grinds most of the time, but there shelf part #'s are awesome too. the cams that u see listed are the HR5 lobe stuff, they do even offer a faster ramp rate lobe in there LSHS lobe, but your not going to see much about it on hear. it is such an aggressive lobe, that knock sensors have to be shut off. there duration numbers @.050 might seem to look a little weak, but i can tell you from experince that the cams act bigger than the are advertised at. i have wowed several tuners(some sponsors)on this site on what cam is in the particular engine combo, and how well it runs and the power it makes, because the cam specs seem to be smaller than they would like to see for that power/trq level. if you have any questions on what profile, or what crane offers, let me know, i can tell you what they can and can't grind for your application. hope this helps.
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I ran the 228/232 112 with the .551 lift along with 1.8 Crane rockers (producing .583 lift) and the cam was a total beast from 3000 RPM and up!

It was perfect for "commuter races", you know, when you're travelling a major highway and some jerkweed in a BMW M5 or Ferrari thinks they're fast. The best part is when they take off, I would stay right on their tail, downshift into 4th gear, and blow them away. The cam was perfect for that.

The only reason I switched back to the 224/228 114 was for drivability reasons. Not that the 228/232 was hard to drive, but I guess I'm just getting old and I prefer a 114 LSA over a 112 LSA. Actually, I'm getting ready to go even smaller to a 221/221 114...

BTW, I'll sell the cam for $200 plus shipping if anyone is interested. Less than 2000 miles on it.
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Well, I was basically interested in this puppy

"Crane Cams? project car produced some amazing results. If we were to ask you ?How much camshaft would you guess it took to make 401+ HP and 386 ft. lbs. of torque, what would you tell us? We?ve had engine builders tell us ?at least 224 to 228 deg. at .050? on the intake lobe with .550+ lift.? Well, we?ve been telling you about our new Zcams with the ?Quick Lift?? Technology that accelerates the opening of the valve off the seat, plus our ?Quick Lift? LS1 rockers that open the valve off the seat with a plus .1 ratio more than it?s rated. So we ask the question ?Why would you sell your customer a cam and rocker combination to achieve these power levels and give up the driveability?? Crane Cams project car produces these amazing numbers with a new Zcam that specs out at 216 / 222 @ .050 with .562 lift! Note that these dyno numbers were maximized using Crane Cams? new PowerMax hand-held programmer on a box-stock bottom end, stock bore x stroke LS1 engine with 90,000 miles on the clock!

Very interesting as thats the hp/torque range I want to be in, but I need a street cam I think these cams have been out for a while (I just read up on it a little) but everyone still seems to like the Comps better...........maybe? I saw this post and just wondered if there was any other s out there that tried them and what they thought of them.
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I ran the 228/232 112 with the .551 lift along with 1.8 Crane rockers (producing .583 lift) and the cam was a total beast from 3000 RPM and up!

It was perfect for "commuter races", you know, when you're travelling a major highway and some jerkweed in a BMW M5 or Ferrari thinks they're fast. The best part is when they take off, I would stay right on their tail, downshift into 4th gear, and blow them away. The cam was perfect for that.

The only reason I switched back to the 224/228 114 was for drivability reasons. Not that the 228/232 was hard to drive, but I guess I'm just getting old and I prefer a 114 LSA over a 112 LSA. Actually, I'm getting ready to go even smaller to a 221/221 114...

BTW, I'll sell the cam for $200 plus shipping if anyone is interested. Less than 2000 miles on it.
that 228/232 is a trq monster for sure, i used it in the first ls1 i ever did for a customer and wow what a monster. if you have it on a 112 i would only advance 3*. $200 is dirt cheap for that piece, but it since it's on a .324 lobe/.551 lift it works ever better with 1.8's. crane 1.8's that is. crane can do a 220/220 .551/.551 on whatever, but no 221 stuff. i had a 220/224 .551/.551 on a 114+4 cut for me one time with crane 1.8's on top and it made 400hp/380 trq with all the bolt ons, and drove like it was stock.
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I am running the Vinci 056 cam, which you will also find listed under the Crane Z cams. 216/224 0.551/0.551 115 LSA with 5* advance ground in. The power comes on pretty much from idle and peaks at about 6,000 RPM. This is exactly what I wanted, plus I didn't want a real lopey idle for fear my wife wouldn't drive the car like that. I made 370 rwhp with the cam and Crane 1.8 rockers. I think there was another five hp in it but I had some valve train issues and this past spring I put in a new set of heads which took care of that. I also went to the Crane 1.7 rockers with the new heads in an effort to keep valve spring loads down as the valve springs I am running don't have much history to them.

These cams are often overlooked in my opinion, but they do seem to produce some pretty good numbers. I lot of guys will talk the 224/224 TR cam, but my VHP 056 seems to keep up or exceed many of the dynoes I have seen on the 224. cam.
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I bought my Crane from Vinci too and I can't tell how helpful Roger was in helping me setup my lifters. As for my 221/221, I'm going with a Lunati only because it has a less agressive ramp rate than most of the other cams you see on this board. I'm trying to get the car's valvetrain as close to stock sounding as possible, even though I'm giving up power.
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I bought my Crane from Vinci too and I can't tell how helpful Roger was in helping me setup my lifters. As for my 221/221, I'm going with a Lunati only because it has a less agressive ramp rate than most of the other cams you see on this board. I'm trying to get the car's valvetrain as close to stock sounding as possible, even though I'm giving up power.
oh, okay. these motors do get pretty damn noisy. wait to you ever hear a crane cam with LSHS lobes, it sounds like solid roller. talk about noisy. good luck with your new set up.
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What is the variance rate of the lobe on these LSHS lobes?
Just curious to see how they match to XE-R
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i use there cams in all my lsx stuff. i work with them on custom grinds most of the time, but there shelf part #'s are awesome too. the cams that u see listed are the HR5 lobe stuff, they do even offer a faster ramp rate lobe in there LSHS lobe, but your not going to see much about it on hear. it is such an aggressive lobe, that knock sensors have to be shut off. there duration numbers @.050 might seem to look a little weak, but i can tell you from experince that the cams act bigger than the are advertised at. i have wowed several tuners(some sponsors)on this site on what cam is in the particular engine combo, and how well it runs and the power it makes, because the cam specs seem to be smaller than they would like to see for that power/trq level. if you have any questions on what profile, or what crane offers, let me know, i can tell you what they can and can't grind for your application. hope this helps.
On paper, the HR5 series lobe has equivilent's to the Comp Xtreme RPM and XE-R series lobes. The LSHS lobe is between the XE-R and XFI. I've seen LSx cams ground with the Crane HIR lobe which is a slight bit more aggressive than the XFI. The HIR is advertised as an inverted flank.
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I bought my Crane from Vinci too and I can't tell how helpful Roger was in helping me setup my lifters. As for my 221/221, I'm going with a Lunati only because it has a less agressive ramp rate than most of the other cams you see on this board. I'm trying to get the car's valvetrain as close to stock sounding as possible, even though I'm giving up power.

Yes, that was another question in the back of my mind I forgot to ask. In order to keep the noise level down a bit, I wonder how much HP you give up on a (example only) 214-219 normal crane ramp as opposed to the 214-219 crane zcam ramps. Guess I should call them and ask, lol, but educated opinions are welcomed.
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Yes, that was another question in the back of my mind I forgot to ask. In order to keep the noise level down a bit, I wonder how much HP you give up on a (example only) 214-219 normal crane ramp as opposed to the 214-219 crane zcam ramps. Guess I should call them and ask, lol, but educated opinions are welcomed.
still in testing i believe.
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Yes, that was another question in the back of my mind I forgot to ask. In order to keep the noise level down a bit, I wonder how much HP you give up on a (example only) 214-219 normal crane ramp as opposed to the 214-219 crane zcam ramps. Guess I should call them and ask, lol, but educated opinions are welcomed.
I thought about going with vettenuts setup. He seems to have good success with it, including the noise. My first non-stock cam was a Lunati 216/218 grind and there was no noise at all. I just figured I'd give Lunati another try. Heck this is my 5th cam swap. If I don't like this one, I'll try another!
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