ss2002

Hi,

I will order this parts :



I am thinking about : PAT243 Patriot 243 Casting CNC Ported Heads (2.02/1.57 Ferra Valves - Assembled

but I want know what is the best one with all parts I will take it,
and how many HP and T do you think I will take with good tuning,

(NOTE : I am using my car daily)

Thank you,
Hani Sindi

radz

iTrader: (3)

G2 recomends AFR 205's for that cam I belive. Check it for yourself at LGmotorsports.com

jdoyle

iTrader: (27)

you shoould prob get some fatter DRs, 245 is slim to me?????

exSSer

For just a little more $$, I'd go with the stg2 p/p Dart 205s from Texas Speed. The smaller ports'll give ya more torque, and velocity will give you more topend. The only drawback is they're unproven.

30th t/a

iTrader: (51)

DEFINATELY!! get the AFR 205s or if you feel like waiting in a long line ETP 215's or 225's. from what ive seen its a hit or miss with other heads. AFRs with the X3 and 90/90 setup will get you 465rwhp no doubt (as long as the other parts are in 100% working condition). do a search, there is NO other head that CONSISTENTLY makes 460-480rwhp on a stock cid setup...except AFRs.

by the way i had the G5X3 112, with the 90mm LSX & 90mm TB with absolute stage 2.5 heads and made 455rwhp/413rwtq. (loved it)

93ChevExt5.7

Have the AFR205s along with G5X2 cam (114LSA). Love it - good road manners. The fast 90/90 is a good recommendation. X3 is a big step up though and no comparison to the X2. As far as the tires, yeah - go wider (your axle should be in shape though) cause you might not. I run 275/60R15s and I consistently lose traction if I don't feather it, on my way from to second gear and then rip (not just chirp) once I hit 2nd....and this is with an A4, 2-piece driveshaft and 8.5" rear axle. Granted, I'm light in the rear compared to most camaros, but also weigh between 700 - 800lbs more.

ss2002

Thanks for all

my car is A4, GTO 2004 (Lumina SS 2002)

What are you thinking about ET Heads ? is it more better then AFR ??

and what is the best choise between :
1-Patriot 243 Casting CNC Ported Heads (2.02/1.57 Ferra Valves - Assembled
2-Patriot LS6 5.7 - STAGE 2 (2.02/1.57/64cc)

Thank you,

30th t/a

iTrader: (51)

As of right now, i wouldnt say that ETPs are better than AFRs. i know both are making great power. I know if it was me, id be buying the AFR 205s because ive seen what they can do plus you wont have to wait 5 months to get the heads. with ETPs you will have to wait, and im not sure their going to justify by making any more power than the AFR's.

out of the 2 patriots, id get the LS6 style.

ThirdGenLS1

iTrader: (11)

afr is the the head known to put good power out of the G5 cams, but then comes the should i spend the extra money for them. You get what you pay for you just have to decide how much you want to pay.

Justin

PREDATOR-Z

Yeah, AFR 205's but you'll need to flycut the pistons to reach the hp number said above.
LG setups used 59cc AFR 205's.

93ChevExt5.7

Hi PREDATOR-Z,

I always have alot of respect for what you have to say. Just want you to know, he can order regular AFRs through LG - just needs to specify what he'd like. I've done it. He can tell them what he'd like.

Best Regards....

Ksett

After the 205 is ported it becomes a 237 cc intake runner, still really unknown whether it puts up poor torque numbers or not.

JRracing

iTrader: (35)

I'm right in the middle of insalling a X3 copy cam and some TEA 5.3's that are milled .050", 59cc's. The cam is a 234/242 591/601 lift 114 lsa. I'm running a stock bottom end.

I'm running into major PTV cleance issues. I've had to cut a ton off of the pistons.
I'm useing comp promagnum 1.75 rockers and 7.350 PDs, stock .048 gasket.

We are going to measure everything out tomarrow night to see if this is going to fly.
If this does'nt work I will be pissed.

I wish I would have bought the AFR 205's now. And still might have to.

orangeapeel

iTrader: (18)

Is it just me or does that list look high priced?

mike c.

iTrader: (1)

i have the AFR205's 59cc & g5x3 cam from LG-motorsports. 01 ws6,m6 near stock weight no belt tricks. 11.1@123mph. 10.2's @134 on a t.n.t 150 shot. the AFR heads are amazing.

vetred

Give the guys at "Texas speed" a call and ask them about the new dart heads for the LSIs & LS6s The word is they are the next big "deal"

PREDATOR-Z

Yeah, of course, What I meant is that for him to get a G5X3/AFR combo that make in the 480+ rwhp, he would have to flycut since the heads will have to be milled to 59 cc (don't forget the .040 gasket).
He could run this combo out of the box but will not achieve these numbers for sure, more in the 440 range.

JRracing

iTrader: (35)

How much flycutting do you think might be needed for this to work?

PREDATOR-Z

I could not tell you without measuring. Just call LG and ask since they have done these.
I would guess that 4>6 cc reliefs will work.

allngn_c5

iTrader: (3)

Just back from LG Motorsports and made 460 rwhp 420 rwtq on the G5X3 114 and AFR 205 59cc Package. All the other bolt ons as well. They had to flycut my pistons, but no problem. AFR 205's are absolutely amazing. Before heads, pully, and Meziere electric water pump I had 400 rwhp, and after making 460. I would definately go with AFR heads over anyone else. They are proven time and time again. As the saying goes, "you get what you pay for".