Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:
View Poll Results: Which short block for ETP 215 heads and a 150 shot
Aluminum 347
14
43.75%
Aluminum 383
16
50.00%
Other
2
6.25%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

POLL: Which short block for ETP 215 Heads & N20?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-18-2006, 10:20 AM
  #1  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
darrensls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sandwich, IL
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default POLL: Which short block for ETP 215 Heads & N20?

Trying to decide which short block would best compliment my ETP 215 heads. Cam will be custom built after the fact so I only need to match this up to the heads and 150 NX wet kit. I was looking for something that can support 550-600 rwhp on the spray.

I was thinking about the Speed Inc 348 with diamond pistons and rods for $2,800. I know TSP has a forged 347 for the same price but Texas is a little farther away then northern IL so I might get a little cheaper freight from Speed inc.

I was also thinking about doing a aluminum 383 but who builds a decent forged one for a reasonable price?
Old 09-18-2006, 10:58 AM
  #2  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
darrensls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sandwich, IL
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Oh and I forgot to mention the car is also getting a Fast 90/90 setup.
Old 09-18-2006, 03:28 PM
  #3  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
darrensls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sandwich, IL
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

It appears I have a 3 way tie
Old 09-18-2006, 04:10 PM
  #4  
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
1 last 1's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Go with an iron 408 and throw as much of the nitrous on it you can afford.
Old 09-18-2006, 05:36 PM
  #5  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (4)
 
LostCauseZ06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ogden, Utah
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

iron 408, HPE out of texas builds a TOP notch product... i flippin love mine!
Old 09-18-2006, 07:44 PM
  #6  
Launching!
 
scotts94_z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

215 heads probably arnt enough to support a 408 and may be even on the small size for a 383 and as for your goals of 550-600 hp that should be no problem with a 347 and those heads with a nicely matched cam along with that 150 shot
Old 09-18-2006, 09:22 PM
  #7  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
darrensls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sandwich, IL
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by scotts94_z28
215 heads probably arnt enough to support a 408 and may be even on the small size for a 383 and as for your goals of 550-600 hp that should be no problem with a 347 and those heads with a nicely matched cam along with that 150 shot
This is kind of what I was thinking. I think the 383 would work ok with those heads and a more aggressive cam but is the gain worth the extra 1-1.5K is the real question.
Old 09-18-2006, 09:56 PM
  #8  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (22)
 
zigroid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: 18013
Posts: 713
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Id personally go with a stock displacement LS2.
Old 09-19-2006, 07:48 AM
  #9  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
darrensls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sandwich, IL
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by zigroid
Id personally go with a stock displacement LS2.
That was my very first thought too. Aluminum 6.0L 402 short block. But the ETP 215's just arn't enough heads for anything greater then 383 CI (so I have been told). The way I see it right now I have three choices:

1). Get a forged 347 from one of our sponsors and stay with stock cubes. This is appealing since these short blocks are as little as $2,700.

2). Step up to a 382/383 short block and have the warm fuzzy feeling of knowing I at least increased my cubes a little since I was going through the expense of a new motor any way. From what I see this will run me $4,500 (still trying to find a better price).

3). Sell my ETP 215 heads (probably for a slight loss) and then buy different ETP heads to better match a 402 or 408 short block. I'm guessing $5,000 at least but I have not priced these out yet.

I am kind of leaning towards number two as it seems a nice "compromise" of performance and value. I think I'll call LME later this morning and get thier advice. Me =
Old 09-19-2006, 09:55 AM
  #10  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (22)
 
zigroid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: 18013
Posts: 713
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I meant use them on a stock displacement LS2 with stock crank. then down the road you can upgrade to a 402 since you already have the block.

thats what Im going for.
Old 09-19-2006, 01:30 PM
  #11  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
darrensls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sandwich, IL
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

I talked to Bryan @ LME this morning and gave him the 411 on my situation. He told me that even with the 215 heads I would be leaving 20-30 rwhp on the table by doing a 383 vs a 402 or 408. After a good 15 minute conversation I think he has talked me into a LS1 402 Iron short block for my car.

I really didn't want the extra weight in there but an extra 25 rwhp more then compensates for 100 extra pounds. Plus it's the same price as thier 383 aluminum short blocks. This is going to be one fast car when I'm done
Old 01-20-2007, 12:20 AM
  #12  
Banned
 
Asmodeus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Naperville, IL
Posts: 1,875
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by darrensls1
That was my very first thought too. Aluminum 6.0L 402 short block. But the ETP 215's just arn't enough heads for anything greater then 383 CI (so I have been told). The way I see it right now I have three choices:

1). Get a forged 347 from one of our sponsors and stay with stock cubes. This is appealing since these short blocks are as little as $2,700.

2). Step up to a 382/383 short block and have the warm fuzzy feeling of knowing I at least increased my cubes a little since I was going through the expense of a new motor any way. From what I see this will run me $4,500 (still trying to find a better price).

3). Sell my ETP 215 heads (probably for a slight loss) and then buy different ETP heads to better match a 402 or 408 short block. I'm guessing $5,000 at least but I have not priced these out yet.

I am kind of leaning towards number two as it seems a nice "compromise" of performance and value. I think I'll call LME later this morning and get thier advice. Me =
A 6.0L is not a 402, a stock LS2 displacement is 364ci. The bore is bigger in the LS2, that is all.

I'd go with the 347 if it was up to me.
Old 01-20-2007, 01:43 AM
  #13  
Launching!
 
scotts94_z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by Asmodeus
A 6.0L is not a 402, a stock LS2 displacement is 364ci. The bore is bigger in the LS2, that is all.

I'd go with the 347 if it was up to me.
to late im pretty sure hes going in a much different direction
Old 01-20-2007, 01:57 AM
  #14  
TECH Resident
 
CraZee ZO6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 797
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

347 forever!!

500 on motor 750 on shot why need more! LOL
Old 01-20-2007, 05:44 AM
  #15  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
darrensls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sandwich, IL
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by scotts94_z28
to late im pretty sure hes going in a much different direction
You ain't lying. How about this for a turn around:

1). The ETP 215 heads were sold for a $300 loss

2). ETP LS7 heads were purchased for a whopping $3K+

3). LS7 intake and 90mm TB is incoming which flows better and is cheaper then a fast 90 setup

4). LME 408 iron block is replacing my stock bottom end.

5). Original cam was sold and new cam will be ordered shortly. Probably a more suitable 408 size cam like 240/244 110 but that is TBD.

6). 100-200 shot of N20 will be on top of this allready sick *** motor.

7). I'll probably be divorced by the end of the year if my wife ever finds out how much I spent on this car

Thanks for all the help guys. This is why LS1tech is THE BEST f-body site on the internet
Old 01-20-2007, 06:27 AM
  #16  
Launching!
 
scotts94_z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by darrensls1
You ain't lying. How about this for a turn around:

1). The ETP 215 heads were sold for a $300 loss

2). ETP LS7 heads were purchased for a whopping $3K+

3). LS7 intake and 90mm TB is incoming which flows better and is cheaper then a fast 90 setup

4). LME 408 iron block is replacing my stock bottom end.

5). Original cam was sold and new cam will be ordered shortly. Probably a more suitable 408 size cam like 240/244 110 but that is TBD.

6). 100-200 shot of N20 will be on top of this allready sick *** motor.

7). I'll probably be divorced by the end of the year if my wife ever finds out how much I spent on this car

Thanks for all the help guys. This is why LS1tech is THE BEST f-body site on the internet
Saw some of the pic's the NEP guys posted up on www.newyorkfbody.com if you arnt a member there you should join up and I better see this car at NYIRP this summer. I saw you there last year even lined up next to you a few times I believe I was in the red SS
Old 01-20-2007, 04:23 PM
  #17  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
darrensls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sandwich, IL
Posts: 1,847
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by scotts94_z28
Saw some of the pic's the NEP guys posted up on www.newyorkfbody.com if you arnt a member there you should join up and I better see this car at NYIRP this summer. I saw you there last year even lined up next to you a few times I believe I was in the red SS
I'll be living at NYIRP this summer. The way I see it, this is just the beginning.
Old 01-20-2007, 04:26 PM
  #18  
Launching!
 
scotts94_z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

should be a real fun car. what are you doing for the tranny and rear end?
Old 01-20-2007, 10:24 PM
  #19  
On The Tree
 
ceo44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Kansas City Area
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Send your heads back to ETP or TEA and have them open up the intake to 228-230, then you don't have to worry about getting new heads and you now have a real torque monster. They do this all the time.
Old 01-21-2007, 11:34 AM
  #20  
TECH Apprentice
 
Ksett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 339
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Save your money and get the forged 347 for your goals. You should be able to easily make 600rwhp with a 150 shot. If you want more up the shot and be done with it.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:17 PM.