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Old 09-09-2008, 10:05 AM
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I just want to hear some ppl on here admit that they are running smaller than recommended PTVC (.080I, .100E)? I am at .080 on the intake after flycutting the I side but am at .080 also on the exhaust (no flycut), I would cut it a bit but do not have the correct size cutting tool, would/do you guys think .080 on the exhaust is ok? Heads are TEA stg 2 LS6 milled .020 2.04I and 1.57E valves, stock MLS gasket.
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What is your Int. clearance? Exhaust is a little on the tight side, and about sure te intake is even worse.

.070+ min. int and .090+ min. exh. is what I shoot for, otherwise you go at your "own risk" and hope you stay off the rev limiter?
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What is your Int. clearance? Exhaust is a little on the tight side, and about sure te intake is even worse.

.070+ min. int and .090+ min. exh. is what I shoot for, otherwise you go at your "own risk" and hope you stay off the rev limiter?
Intaake is right where it should be at .080. If I could find the Isky flycutting tool asap for the exhaust I would cut it .030 deep but I have no clue where to get one
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yo man we have the same cam and im wondering if i can swap to a thinner gasket. I have the 241 heads, do you know the stock 233/239 PVC?
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Originally Posted by LS1C5Vette
Intaake is right where it should be at .080. If I could find the Isky flycutting tool asap for the exhaust I would cut it .030 deep but I have no clue where to get one
get an adjustable timing chain and advance it a 1.5-2 degrees...every degree is around ~0.0065
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But his intake will go down. Given a choice (other than neither), I would rather the intake be on the short side than exhaust.
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But his intake will go down. Given a choice (other than neither), I would rather the intake be on the short side than exhaust.
Yea I see what you are saying, I clayed it again and its a very small amount over .080, I would say .082 but I went ahead and put the heads on as I do not have a cutter to flycut the exhaust side. I measured my pushrod lenght and got 7.300 with no preload so I think I am going to order the 7.350's...
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I would go 0.075" preload.
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I've run .040" / .055" one time on my own car. While I don't at all think it's a good idea, I never had any issues with it. Your on the tight side of what guys like to see, but I doubt you have any problems.
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
I would go 0.075" preload.
They do not have the 7.375's in stock, if it comes to it and its too loud I will just order longer ones and take a small hit and sell the 7.350's
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i have never personally trusted the clay method.Instead i use the feeler gauges between the rocker and valve method.Much more accurate,if done properly.I would say you dont want your exhaust that tight is its an m6,if you miss a shift,and have a mechanical overrev,you may have a problem.The intake valve on the other hand is fine.I would just locate an isky tool and sleep better not worrying about the engine staying together,but thats just me.
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Originally Posted by redtail2426
i have never personally trusted the clay method.Instead i use the feeler gauges between the rocker and valve method.Much more accurate,if done properly.I would say you dont want your exhaust that tight is its an m6,if you miss a shift,and have a mechanical overrev,you may have a problem.The intake valve on the other hand is fine.I would just locate an isky tool and sleep better not worrying about the engine staying together,but thats just me.
If I am understanding correctly, you take the point to where the valve is closest to the the piston, and then add shims till the valve touches, and then measure the thickness to get PtoV clearance? That seems the best way as you wouldn't have to pull the heads to take the measurements. All you would need to do is swap the valve spring to a softer spring and then back again afterwards.
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I would run .040 on a auto car.
Not on my m6 car. The syock cam/valvetrain had contact on a 2-3-2 so problems form it I even fly cut later). Also run a good valvespring, even more then needed, if your under good amount of room =.100

And watch the valvetrain weights (aftermarker "better" parts that weight a lot more then stock)
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Originally Posted by redtail2426
i have never personally trusted the clay method.Instead i use the feeler gauges between the rocker and valve method.Much more accurate,if done properly.I would say you dont want your exhaust that tight is its an m6,if you miss a shift,and have a mechanical overrev,you may have a problem.The intake valve on the other hand is fine.I would just locate an isky tool and sleep better not worrying about the engine staying together,but thats just me.
I believe the OP did both ways, the clay was a confirmation of his prior measurements with a feeler gauge. I think the fact that the two methods came out 0.002" apart shows he was pretty careful taking the measurements.
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Just bumping this thread to let everyone know how its been at those PTVC numbers. I have ran the car a couple times at the track with the rev limiter set to 7300, (I was trying to make 2 passes without having to shift into 4th gear, it did not help my time so I set it back down to 6700). Also I did the "3rd gear into 2nd gear" shift and saw my rpm gauge fly into the black zone on the gauge, I babied it home and thought the worst, I did a cyl leakdown test @ 90 psi on all cyl's amd had NO leakage other than the small normal air slipping past the rings into the crankcase. Also I have smacked the rev limiter a lot since then and its been great, I will however be changing the valve springs out after 15 or 20k miles. Also my numbers and 1/4 mile time on the set-up are below.




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