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Old 01-15-2017, 08:42 PM
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I'm building a new engine for my airboat. Looking to make as much HP and torque as possible by 6000 rpms. Cannot spin it higher due to prop speed limitations. Just ordered a lsx tall deck block and Wiseco 11.3 to 1 Pistons. Cubic inch will be 468. What cylinder heads for under $3500 would be best? Thanks!
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Is 700 hp and 650 tq realistic by 6k rpm?
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Originally Posted by smaz632
Is 700 hp and 650 tq realistic by 6k rpm?
Its not unrealistic, but it would take a some know how to make it happen. I think a TFS cathedral head would be one of the best heads for the money.
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Originally Posted by KCS
Its not unrealistic, but it would take a some know how to make it happen. I think a TFS cathedral head would be one of the best heads for the money.
What size heads? I'm open to purchasing from a sponsor and a custom cam to go with it. Thanks for the help.
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Originally Posted by smaz632
What size heads? I'm open to purchasing from a sponsor and a custom cam to go with it. Thanks for the help.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...deo-9-s-n.html
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Hi, your propeller @ 80" will spin at 3000 RPM "ish".

I helped design the Gear Reduction unit, the ratio can be chosen.

I you have a D/D (?), then your engine max RPM target would be 3200.
Dave runs 7800@2.9 reduction

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Whoa dude, maybe go with a 4.8L crank?!?
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Originally Posted by SQRBODYLSFREEK
Whoa dude, maybe go with a 4.8L crank?!?
Why would he do that?
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Originally Posted by Pantera EFI
Hi, your propeller @ 80" will spin at 3000 RPM "ish".

I helped design the Gear Reduction unit, the ratio can be chosen.

I you have a D/D (?), then your engine max RPM target would be 3200.
Dave runs 7800@2.9 reduction

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My reduction is 2.52 to 1. Max prop speed is 2300 RPMS. So around 5800 rpm is max engine speed.
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The beast!
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Originally Posted by smaz632
Is 700 hp and 650 tq realistic by 6k rpm?
I made 710 FWHP @ 6600 RPM with a 3.6" Stroke
(which has the same piston speed as a 4.25" Stroke
@ 5610 RPM)
if it was me one combo I would consider is MMS LS3
Heads with factory valves to save some money,
A ported GM LS3 intake again to save some money,
Combined with a Cam Motion Hydraulic Roller
Something like 240*/248* ..640"/.620"
LSA based on Kips recommendation to maximize
Torque with a 5800-6000 RPM HP Peak.

Cylinder heads are the most crucial element in your
Goals, you want at least 360 CFM @ .600" from
The smallest port size possible (highest velocity)
Combined with the least intake duration to meet
Your HP RPM Goal. An efficient Exhaust (70% E/I ideal
Will allow for ~ +8* Split) again promoting
Torque. Excess duration will waste
Torque below peak as well as raise peak torque.
11.5:1 comp 12.5:1 if you have the octane
Will be good, 1 7/8" Long Tubes or 2" Very Long
Tubes.
My .02
Good Luck
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Originally Posted by KCS
Why would he do that?
For high rpm power you silly goose! Destroked, you've never heard of ppl dong that?
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Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210
I made 710 FWHP @ 6600 RPM with a 3.6" Stroke
(which has the same piston speed as a 4.25" Stroke
@ 5610 RPM)
if it was me one combo I would consider is MMS LS3
Heads with factory valves to save some money,
A ported GM LS3 intake again to save some money,
Combined with a Cam Motion Hydraulic Roller
Something like 240*/248* ..640"/.620"
LSA based on Kips recommendation to maximize
Torque with a 5800-6000 RPM HP Peak.

Cylinder heads are the most crucial element in your
Goals, you want at least 360 CFM @ .600" from
The smallest port size possible (highest velocity)
Combined with the least intake duration to meet
Your HP RPM Goal. An efficient Exhaust (70% E/I ideal
Will allow for ~ +8* Split) again promoting
Torque. Excess duration will waste
Torque below peak as well as raise peak torque.
11.5:1 comp 12.5:1 if you have the octane
Will be good, 1 7/8" Long Tubes or 2" Very Long
Tubes.
My .02
Good Luck
Awesome info! I appreciate the response.
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Originally Posted by SQRBODYLSFREEK
For high rpm power you silly goose! Destroked, you've never heard of ppl dong that?
High RPM? He's looking for a power band below 6000RPM. He's also looking for 650ft-lbs of torque. I don't think a short stroke crank would be very smart with those goals in mind.
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Originally Posted by KCS
High RPM? He's looking for a power band below 6000RPM. He's also looking for 650ft-lbs of torque. I don't think a short stroke crank would be very smart with those goals in mind.
Oops ok I misread. I thought initially he was looking for power over 6,000 rpm.
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I used the LSX Standard Deck Height for my build.
Great Foundation!
Are you 4.185" Bore X 4.250" Stroke?
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Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210
I used the LSX Standard Deck Height for my build.
Great Foundation!
Are you 4.185" Bore X 4.250" Stroke?
Yes! But I went with a tall deck



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