View Full Version : New Aftermarket Aluminum Block on the horizon


Phil99vette
12-08-2008, 11:43 AM
Apparently there is a new Aluminum Block that is coming out. Word is its very beefy in the mains, 6 bolt compatible with LSx or Warhawk heads, and should be able to take some serious abuse.

veee8
12-08-2008, 11:44 AM
You have one on order Phill? :D

ATVracr
12-08-2008, 11:50 AM
Nice.

No plans this year to change the bottomend but I will be next year. :devil:

WKMCD
12-08-2008, 12:00 PM
Any more info?

Phil99vette
12-08-2008, 12:29 PM
We're working on getting one right now but I'm not expecting anything.

Robin L
12-08-2008, 12:37 PM
I am sitting here in Orlando at ATEC. THe first block is in the back of the room. Overheard they should be available March or April. Don't quote me on that.

The block looks good and is not final machined.

It is by Comp/RHS

Robin

Phil99vette
12-08-2008, 01:05 PM
Robin,
Shawn is down there at the conference also. :secret2:

1.8t
12-08-2008, 03:04 PM
Very interesting. Will it be competitive, price wise, against the Warhawk or are we still too far out to know that much detail?

Robin L
12-08-2008, 05:27 PM
Robin,
Shawn is down there at the conference also. :secret2:

Well tell him to say hello!

:D


Robin

BigRich954RR
12-09-2008, 09:42 AM
Is it the same as warhawk or suppose to be better? Any thing different on this block?

Does comp make other blocks or is this there first go?

I just bought my warhawk hope I didn't miss out!!!!

BigRich954RR
12-09-2008, 09:49 AM
Is it the same as warhawk or suppose to be better? Any thing different on this block?

Does comp/rhs make other blocks or is this there first go?

I just bought my warhawk hope I didn't miss out!!!!

CalSpeedPerformance
12-10-2008, 01:26 AM
CompCams block eh???


Did anything ever develop from Dart on their billet blocks?

Robin L
12-10-2008, 06:43 AM
The block is un machined so it's hard to know many things.


Brian Reese touched on the block in his presentation yesterday.

What I remember....

Allows a 4.6" Stroke crank with Lunati Steel Rods Yes I said 4.6" Stroke!

They had to move the oil passage and raise the cam. I thought that they said .380 on the cam.

Enough room to use a 60MM Cam

Cylinder Sleeve length same as a LS7 or was that the C5R, oh well they have longer sleeves

Bore max is 4.165"

I heard it will need tie bar lifters (no big deal)

Room for large lifters

Ability to use 1/2" main studs. He does not recomend that but many people think they need that.

I heard the block was/is cast in the UK

That is what I remember, don't hold me to anything:D

Robin

Shawn @ VA Speed
12-10-2008, 06:59 AM
I wonder if anybody would notice if that block was missing today?
In my best judgement at this time this block will be the best piece on the market for a high hp ls engine,but it will not be a direct swap,there are some special parts required for the piece(raised cam)but none the less,the main are very beefy and the casting is very good quality.Def another good step in insuring these high end ls engines live

427
12-10-2008, 08:19 PM
The block has some very nice features like the LS1 cam sensor and knock sensor bosses, now you can run a belt drive without a dist. The main bulkheads looked wide and beefy, but it was an unmachined casting at this point. Sure looks promising for the future builds.


Kurt

Shawn @ VA Speed
12-10-2008, 09:21 PM
The block has some very nice features like the LS1 cam sensor and knock sensor bosses, now you can run a belt drive without a dist. The main bulkheads looked wide and beefy, but it was an unmachined casting at this point. Sure looks promising for the future builds.


Kurt


Kurt tried to sneak it out under his coat:D

njc.corp
12-10-2008, 09:39 PM
looking at the intakes coming out and now blocks people are going to have a good 2009

was their any mention if this new edelbrock head would fit on their?

racer7088
12-10-2008, 09:40 PM
So far it looks easily to be the best of the LSx blocks out yet.

njc.corp
12-10-2008, 09:45 PM
So far it looks easily to be the best of the LSx blocks out yet.

have u seen it erik-

anyone got a picture-

racer7088
12-10-2008, 11:02 PM
Yeah it was here at AETC of course.

ReiKo
12-11-2008, 02:57 PM
Rumor has it the block is going to cost a little north of 5k...

1.8t
12-11-2008, 03:29 PM
^ Sheesh, thats pretty steep. Good thing I am never planning on making enough power to where I will need a warhawk or this one. 700~800whp on the factory available aluminum blocks will be no issue.

DrkPhx
12-11-2008, 05:59 PM
Is this the block mentioned in this thread?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/1031614-debut-new-ultimate-race-aluminum-ls-engine-block-rhs.html

Robin L
12-11-2008, 06:10 PM
Is this the block mentioned in this thread?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/1031614-debut-new-ultimate-race-aluminum-ls-engine-block-rhs.html

Yep.......


Robin

dkbykesdk
12-11-2008, 07:57 PM
High-strength A357 T6
Standard & tall decks
Std 9.240 deck
Tall 9.750" deck
Designed for up to 4.6 stroke
Increase bay-to-bay breathing
Raised cam centerline: .386/9.86mm, 2 chain links
Std .842 lifters, up to 1.060 lifters possible
6 head bolts
4.060 - 4.165 bores
Gen III / IV compliance
Serious dry sump provisions (built in AN-12 feeds)
Gen I / III / race mounts
Priority main oiling
Ampco 45 cam thrust plate
Rear cover included
Siamese cast bore walls
Press-in spun cast iron liner
4.060 to 4.165 bores
Water jacket based on LS7
Liner lengths:
Std deck: 144/149 mm (same as LS7)
Tall deck: 157/162 mm
Maximum pushrod angularity = less than 2deg
Bay-to-bay breathing improved with increase in window area:
Passage under bores:
Center bulkhead 4% area increase over LS7/LSX
Same window on all cylinders, so 39% increase on #2 and #4 over LS7/LSX
Passage around caps
7% Increase in area over LS7/LSX
All threads 'rolled'
Chilled mains
cast-in piston oil squirter provisions

horsepower
12-12-2008, 06:01 PM
jobber price is 4616, call for dealer pricing.

pics of the 'real' blocks:

http://i33.tinypic.com/2wh3rqo.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/4h44lu.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/33tp0jr.jpg

LSX-PWR
12-12-2008, 06:59 PM
I guess my Christmas is going to have to come in April. I almost feel sorry for the Ford guys.

LSX-PWR
12-12-2008, 07:01 PM
jobber price is 4616, call for dealer pricing.

pics of the 'real' blocks:

http://i33.tinypic.com/2wh3rqo.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/4h44lu.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/33tp0jr.jpg

Whats going to be the weight on these bad boys?

njc.corp
12-12-2008, 08:30 PM
so the knock sensors are back in the valley?

looks nice-

njc.corp
12-14-2008, 12:24 AM
seen the vid on street legal tv at the pri show

damm nice block-

Tom@SpeedInc
12-14-2008, 12:58 AM
so the knock sensors are back in the valley?

looks nice-

Believe the knock sensor provisions are in GEN III and GEN IV locations

I don't see a cam sensor hole in the back of the block, but thats the least of my concerns. LS2 cover is pretty standard issue nowadays.

LS6427
12-14-2008, 01:40 AM
only capable of a 4.165 bore????????????

njc.corp
12-14-2008, 06:36 AM
Believe the knock sensor provisions are in GEN III and GEN IV locations

I don't see a cam sensor hole in the back of the block, but thats the least of my concerns. LS2 cover is pretty standard issue nowadays.

Thanks fraser-

this should be good-

427
12-14-2008, 08:39 AM
The block was not machined, but the pad for LS1 cam sensor was back in the rear of the block. This is one of the top improvements for guys that want COP with a Jesel belt.


Kurt

horsepower
12-14-2008, 10:57 AM
Will have BOTH gen III (valley) and gen IV (side) knock sensor provisions

Will have gen III cam sensor provision, or you can use a gen IV front cover cam sensor (will require modified front cover, with raised sensor boss, will be available from RHS too)

can run with gen III or gen IV valley covers and oil pressure sensors

max bore is 4.165 (remember, aluminum block) and with a 4.6 stroke this equals 502 CID. 502 inches ought to be good for you.

DVS99TRANS
12-14-2008, 11:06 AM
Can still run LS7 heads with it with 4.165 bore. Provisions for oil squiters:D Damn, looks like I need to save more:(

njc.corp
12-14-2008, 04:32 PM
Can still run LS7 heads with it with 4.165 bore. Provisions for oil squiters:D Damn, looks like I need to save more:(

dont see a reason why u cant run a ls7 head-

DVS99TRANS
12-14-2008, 07:46 PM
dont see a reason why u cant run a ls7 head-

I was just stating that it had atleast the recommended bore to be able to use them that's all:D Take this block and turn it into a 502 LS9 type motor, hmmmmmmm. i also like the fact of possible lifter access through the valley instead of lifting the heads off. Might not enough room though, but might be possible...

njc.corp
12-14-2008, 08:19 PM
Will have BOTH gen III (valley) and gen IV (side) knock sensor provisions

Will have gen III cam sensor provision, or you can use a gen IV front cover cam sensor (will require modified front cover, with raised sensor boss, will be available from RHS too)

can run with gen III or gen IV valley covers and oil pressure sensors

max bore is 4.165 (remember, aluminum block) and with a 4.6 stroke this equals 502 CID. 502 inches ought to be good for you.

can the normal deck take the jesel belt set-up and u guys making one for the tall deck or jesel will?

LS6427
12-14-2008, 09:31 PM
max bore is 4.165 (remember, aluminum block) and with a 4.6 stroke this equals 502 CID. 502 inches ought to be good for you.

with the 4.165 bore, does that leave a ton of gasket still there between cylinders or is that the max bore and you'll be pushing it for boost or nitrous?

427
12-15-2008, 08:23 AM
It was my understanding that both tall and standard deck blocks will use the same (high) cam location. The aftermarket guys like Jesel are sure to come out with a beltdrive system for the new cam location quickly, and Comp will no doubt have a timing chain available before the first block ships. It sounds like the next thing they will be doing is some hot testing!!!


Kurtcan the normal deck take the jesel belt set-up and u guys making one for the tall deck or jesel will?

Black Sunshine/ 00SS
12-15-2008, 08:28 AM
It's going to be interesting to see how these pan out. Was there a block weight available on these?

njc.corp
12-15-2008, 09:55 AM
It was my understanding that both tall and standard deck blocks will use the same (high) cam location. The aftermarket guys like Jesel are sure to come out with a beltdrive system for the new cam location quickly, and Comp will no doubt have a timing chain available before the first block ships. It sounds like the next thing they will be doing is some hot testing!!!


Kurt


Thanks Kurt

looks like the next hot item to get ----:chug:

Beaflag VonRathburg
12-15-2008, 04:32 PM
Hhmm... I just noticed that is jobber pricing. My friend is a comp dealer. I'll have to get him to call about pricing.

Phil99vette
12-30-2008, 12:56 PM
LSx has a 4.40" bore spacing, you can figure out the rest for any bore.

njc.corp
01-25-2009, 10:16 PM
any more news?

SUCK MY SS
01-25-2009, 11:09 PM
how would a stock cam sensor clear the higher cam location without a raised mounting pad?