Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - 408 w/ vic jr. dyno #'s after T/B change!




blacksheep
12-09-2008, 10:52 PM
I changed from a 90deg elbow/ 90mm throttle body to a 4500 Fast throttle body and went to dyno to see the difference. Keep in mind this is in a truck. Before it made 512hp through th400/ 9 inch . This time it made 562hp, not too bad for a truck. It picked up a little on spray also. Not to bad for a 4 year old motor. Motor spec: iron block 408 11.5cr, All pro LS1 heads, Futral S/R cam, Vic Jr intake.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177/Blacksheep408/curt562-13.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177/Blacksheep408/Truck/DSCN0123-1.jpg


awd2rwd
12-09-2008, 11:58 PM
Beast Mode :devil:...do you have any work done to the all pros?

jmill96Z
12-10-2008, 12:56 AM
That's a significant gain. Congrats. Quick question...Where did you end up putting the IAT sensor?


AINT SKEERED
12-10-2008, 06:29 AM
I was wondering how much power they were worth as I will be swapping down the road to that combo on my Nova build.


I noticed you had that on at the arm drop race. Truck ran good.

LS1 SPEED
12-10-2008, 07:03 AM
that's a very nice gain

great power !

Patrick G
12-10-2008, 08:06 AM
Intake elbows and 90mm TBs suck on single planes. Nice gains. Thanks for posting! :)

Krazy98Z28
12-10-2008, 08:28 AM
Which elbow do you have?

I run this setup now. I had the edlebrock elbow on the motor before and i gained 90RWHP switching to this elbow.


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/Krazy98LS1/DSC00962.jpg

Shawn MacAnanny
12-10-2008, 08:40 AM
Wow thats a hell of a gain man!

FASTFATBOY
12-10-2008, 07:37 PM
Intake elbows and 90mm TBs suck on single planes. Nice gains. Thanks for posting! :)


Is that typical? I have a Intake elbows.com sheetmetal elbow and a 1300 cfm monoblade on my LT1, would it gain anything going to one of these?

Speed Density
12-10-2008, 07:49 PM
Is that typical?

Yep.

This is why I went Wilson elbow and 90mm. The bend on the IE.com stuff just doenst keep up with a tighter curved peice.

FASTFATBOY
12-10-2008, 08:20 PM
Which elbow do you have?

I run this setup now. I had the edlebrock elbow on the motor before and i gained 90RWHP switching to this elbow.


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/Krazy98LS1/DSC00962.jpg


This guy said he made more power with the sheetmetal setup over a setup like yours. Now Im confused.

What I really want to know is a 4 hole setup better than either of the elbow setups?

blacksheep
12-10-2008, 08:45 PM
Here is my old elbow. The iat is mounted on the windsheild cowl.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177/Blacksheep408/Truck/IMG_0482.jpg

Krazy98Z28
12-10-2008, 09:50 PM
i dont think you can beat the 4 barrel TB, there is no restriction with that setup. i was going to run that TB but i wanted to be able to street drive the car, and finding a air filter was an issue and also driveability was going to be sacrificed.

FASTFATBOY
12-10-2008, 10:34 PM
i dont think you can beat the 4 barrel TB, there is no restriction with that setup. i was going to run that TB but i wanted to be able to street drive the car, and finding a air filter was an issue and also driveability was going to be sacrificed.

The 4 hole TB has the best driveability over any other TB.

Air filter is easy, put a carb style hat on it and run 3.5 inch tube to a MAF then to an air filter. Or in my case to my WS6 ram air air filter setup.

See here

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/908815-got-some-completed-pics-car-motor.html

gator's 99TA
12-11-2008, 05:13 PM
i really like the idea of the 4 barrel carb TB and carb hat going to the factory style MAF or airfilter. should easily clear a stock cowl and hood even with a plate kit under it

StreetStalkerZ
12-14-2008, 01:08 PM
The 4 hole TB has the best driveability over any other TB.

Air filter is easy, put a carb style hat on it and run 3.5 inch tube to a MAF then to an air filter. Or in my case to my WS6 ram air air filter setup.

See here

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/908815-got-some-completed-pics-car-motor.htmlWhere do you find the carb hat and tubing? I looked on summit and got nothing in the search for it.

I may swap to a 4 barrel style TB after the first of the year. A few of the vendors told me that for a NA setup it's the only way to go! They told me that i should pick up a solid 20rwhp over my edelbrock elbow. Not disclaiming some of the gains but none of these shops are seeing the gains that are being claimed?? Could be due to different setups or are some people using the ultra low style elbows?

Also what is the height comparrison at the top of the 4 barrel style TB compared to the highest point of the elbow? I have a sunoco hood so i think the 4 barrel style might set lower than my low profile edelbrock elbow?

FASTFATBOY
12-14-2008, 01:16 PM
Where do you find the carb hat and tubing? I looked on summit and got nothing in the search for it.

I may swap to a 4 barrel style TB after the first of the year. A few of the vendors told me that for a NA setup it's the only way to go! They told me that i should pick up a solid 20rwhp over my edelbrock elbow. Not disclaiming some of the gains but none of these shops are seeing the gains that are being claimed?? Could be due to different setups or are some people using the ultra low style elbows?

Also what is the height comparrison at the top of the 4 barrel style TB compared to the highest point of the elbow? I have a sunoco hood so i think the 4 barrel style might set lower than my low profile edelbrock elbow?


Tell them you want a hat for a blow through carb with a turbo or supercharger.


I would use aluminum tubing. If you have an LS1 use a rubber 45* to connect to your lid on one end then put the MAF in the other end. Get a 45* aluminum bend with a short radius and long feet along with some rubber couplers. Hook it up.

Or use 2 45* rubber couplers like I did, would look similar to my setup.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7108/done014ih8.jpg

Should fit easily under a Sunoco hood.

SIC LSX
12-14-2008, 01:26 PM
user dlove went from from stock l76 intake and 92mm tb to this and didnt gain anything in the 1/4! Ran same time :(

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p41/azxic/IMG_1973.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p41/azxic/IMG_1971.jpg

Krazy98Z28
12-14-2008, 02:04 PM
They told me that i should pick up a solid 20rwhp over my edelbrock elbow. Not disclaiming some of the gains but none of these shops are seeing the gains that are being claimed?? Could be due to different setups or are some people using the ultra low style elbows?


I went from this edlebrock elbow

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/Krazy98LS1/DSC03331.jpg

to this elbow and gained 90rwhp. Nothing else was changed. same dyno and roughly 2 weeks apart.

http://www.intakeelbows.com/ls1eblowgrey01.jpg

94 guy
12-14-2008, 02:32 PM
krazy who's elbow is that?

FASTFATBOY
12-14-2008, 02:39 PM
krazy who's elbow is that?

Looks like one of Aarons elbows.

www.intakeelbows.com

Krazy98Z28
12-14-2008, 02:53 PM
Looks like one of Aarons elbows.

www.intakeelbows.com

:nod:

StreetStalkerZ
12-14-2008, 04:11 PM
I went from this edlebrock elbow

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/Krazy98LS1/DSC03331.jpg

to this elbow and gained 90rwhp. Nothing else was changed. same dyno and roughly 2 weeks apart.

http://www.intakeelbows.com/ls1eblowgrey01.jpgThat is the edelbrock ultra low elbow. It has a HORRIBLE bend in it! I would not doubt your pick up in HP between it and the arrons elbow. I have the low profile edelbrock elbow,will not clear a stock hood. I may get the high flow elbow,if i have enough room under the hood and try it for comparrison between the two.

SIC LSX
12-14-2008, 07:44 PM
That is the edelbrock ultra low elbow. It has a HORRIBLE bend in it! I would not doubt your pick up in HP between it and the arrons elbow. I have the low profile edelbrock elbow,will not clear a stock hood. I may get the high flow elbow,if i have enough room under the hood and try it for comparrison between the two.

Got this off your fquick
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/9412210247.jpg (http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?action=viewimg&id=210247)
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/9412210248.jpg (http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?action=viewimg&id=210248)

Krazy98Z28
12-14-2008, 11:06 PM
^^^^^ that one looks much better than the one i had

SIC LSX
12-15-2008, 12:15 PM
when i get a 6.0 and l92 heads in goingto run the new vic jr just need to no whats the best elbow! I was going to get the one off intakeelbows.com but i was told people are picking up 20-30whp putting a 4barrel TB on top of it like this

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/cutcowltogether0012.jpg

But i dont want to take off my wipers or cut my cowl that much so i will end up running somthing like this. You can run the same K-member spacers the magnacharged fbodys guys use so you don't have to cut the cowl as much too!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/CamaroBeach025.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/ls1eblowgrey02.jpg

FASTFATBOY
12-15-2008, 06:11 PM
Where do you find the carb hat and tubing? I looked on summit and got nothing in the search for it.

I may swap to a 4 barrel style TB after the first of the year. A few of the vendors told me that for a NA setup it's the only way to go! They told me that i should pick up a solid 20rwhp over my edelbrock elbow. Not disclaiming some of the gains but none of these shops are seeing the gains that are being claimed?? Could be due to different setups or are some people using the ultra low style elbows?

Also what is the height comparrison at the top of the 4 barrel style TB compared to the highest point of the elbow? I have a sunoco hood so i think the 4 barrel style might set lower than my low profile edelbrock elbow?


I did some legwork for us both, as I am considering this for my LT1. These companies make the hat:

Extreme velocity
CSU (Carb solutions unlimited I think)
Procharger

Do a google for blow thru carb hat.

Speed Density
12-15-2008, 06:24 PM
The edelbrock elbows have to be some of the worst choices for a single plane. The bend radius is horrible compared to a typical wilson or sheetmetal elbow.

ZMONSTER!
12-15-2008, 07:15 PM
What are the specs on that futural S/R? Very nice numbers! Your blowing guys with fast intakes out of the water!

AaronL
12-16-2008, 01:06 AM
Yep.

This is why I went Wilson elbow and 90mm. The bend on the IE.com stuff just doenst keep up with a tighter curved peice.



Hey guys..... I've noticed LOTS of guys don't realize that we make any size and shape elbow you want. Yes, the LS1 stock hood elbows are a tight bend, but compared to the others that are fitting under stock hoods, these are pretty good for the the space there is to work with. If you run an elbow under a stock hood, there is no other choice but to have a tight bend.

Get some dropped motor mounts, a raised cowl hood, or a truck and you can run a taller elbow.

http://intakeelbows.com/elbowwithburstpanel.jpg
http://intakeelbows.com/ericelbow325.jpg
http://intakeelbows.com/elbows%20008grey.jpg
http://intakeelbows.com/v6325.jpg

the_merv
12-16-2008, 01:18 AM
http://www.intakeelbows.com/ls1eblowgrey01.jpg

How much did that Elbow cost you if you don't mind sharing. Do you have a link to where you got it, I can't get to the website for some reason from the link the thread..

Krazy98Z28
12-16-2008, 05:56 AM
Not sure how much it was because Slowhawk had one laying around.

PM aaron right above your post, he's the one that makes them.

built408
12-16-2008, 06:15 AM
good numbers, I don't think flaco is going to be happy.

SIC LSX
12-16-2008, 09:19 AM
How much did that Elbow cost you if you don't mind sharing. Do you have a link to where you got it, I can't get to the website for some reason from the link the thread..

Just so you no i can see a motor plate setup on the car so the motor sits lower then factory! You will have to cut bottom of cowl a little ;)

SIC LSX
12-16-2008, 09:23 AM
This guy orderd one so that he didnt have to cut cowl at all and for stock TB! Hell he ran high 10s with a stock 98 longblock with just a 224 cam and turbo kit!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/freinds%20rides/dscn4089jc3.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/freinds%20rides/dscn4085oy0.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/freinds%20rides/dscn4084zc9.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/freinds%20rides/dscn4083yo2.jpg

Krazy98Z28
12-16-2008, 09:29 AM
Just so you no i can see a motor plate setup on the car so the motor sits lower then factory! You will have to cut bottom of cowl a little ;)

That picture is from a truck i believe.

SIC LSX
12-16-2008, 09:32 AM
you can see motor plate, factory fbody plastic cowl, and stuts bolts on finder well :) Its a f-body

jasonsny
12-17-2008, 09:28 PM
The edelbrock elbows have to be some of the worst choices for a single plane. The bend radius is horrible compared to a typical wilson or sheetmetal elbow.

It's a matter of trade off - fitment vs. flow. The elbows offered by Edelbrock in various heights are designed to give choices. The ultra-low is more restrictive due to the height, while the tall profile has the best flow and tallest height. To say they are the worst choices is just not factual.

Also notice the Edelrock elbows have a divider. This was engineered into the elbows to appropriate the air-flow distribution into the intake manifold. Most elbows are designed to fit and since air likes to follow the path of least resistance, they tend to push air to the back cylinders. Not sure how many other elbows out there have been put through CFD??? The Edelbrocks have.

The traditional 4-blade throttle bodies do flow and perform very well if you can go that direction.

Flaco
12-22-2008, 04:28 PM
good numbers, I don't think flaco is going to be happy.

i'm not worried:chug: it keeps me motivated:pimp:

LIL SS
12-23-2008, 12:37 AM
Interesting.. I'm swtiching from a LS6 ported stock TB to a Super Vic, NX plate, 4150 to 4500 adapter and 4500 TB. Would be nice to see a few more ponies.


http://73-ls1.com/63truck/cleanup/12_22_08_01.jpg


http://73-ls1.com/63truck/cleanup/12_22_08_02.jpg

SIC LSX
12-23-2008, 01:13 AM
damn! might as well run a super vic lol

98Z28CobraKiller
12-24-2008, 07:08 AM
This guy orderd one so that he didnt have to cut cowl at all and for stock TB! Hell he ran high 10s with a stock 98 longblock with just a 224 cam and turbo kit!
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/freinds%20rides/dscn4089jc3.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/freinds%20rides/dscn4085oy0.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/freinds%20rides/dscn4084zc9.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Dansredz28/freinds%20rides/dscn4083yo2.jpg

wouldn't want to do a plug change in that thing.

beardWS6
12-26-2008, 09:05 AM
I almost got this set-up for my 408!! Sucks I didn`t go that way!! Left some power on the table!!!!

lsxpinto
01-11-2009, 09:03 AM
Hey guys..... I've noticed LOTS of guys don't realize that we make any size and shape elbow you want. Yes, the LS1 stock hood elbows are a tight bend, but compared to the others that are fitting under stock hoods, these are pretty good for the the space there is to work with. If you run an elbow under a stock hood, there is no other choice but to have a tight bend.

Get some dropped motor mounts, a raised cowl hood, or a truck and you can run a taller elbow.

http://intakeelbows.com/elbowwithburstpanel.jpg


Just ordered some parts from Aaron and received the parts in 3 days. Good guy to deal with here.
Thanks,
Scott

Ego Killer
01-11-2009, 12:02 PM
I went from this edlebrock elbow

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/Krazy98LS1/DSC03331.jpg

to this elbow and gained 90rwhp. Nothing else was changed. same dyno and roughly 2 weeks apart.

http://www.intakeelbows.com/ls1eblowgrey01.jpg

sorry to hijack but would someone gain anything from going with this over a FAST 92? on a 12:1 408?

CamaroRick
01-20-2009, 12:07 PM
I went from this edlebrock elbow

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/Krazy98LS1/DSC03331.jpg

to this elbow and gained 90rwhp. Nothing else was changed. same dyno and roughly 2 weeks apart.

http://www.intakeelbows.com/ls1eblowgrey01.jpg

was the Edelbrock un ported? The 4150 side was way small compared to my gmpp single plane. I opened up the flange side allot. I want to try a 4bbl tb but i wont cut the cowl.

Krazy98Z28
01-20-2009, 03:52 PM
No we did not do any porting yet

OutlawZ
01-20-2009, 04:56 PM
Hey guys just to let you know my car was the one that FastFatboy put in those photos with the accufab 4150 4 barrel mounted under the hat with the intake tube going down to behind the passengers side headlight....

I got the blow thru carb hat from Procharger. It's one of their 4150 style carb hats designed for using a blower with a carb. But it fits the accufab throttle bodies perfect. And it is capable of being pointed any direction you want it unlike most elbows.... With an elbow you are fixed to going one direction.

All of the tubing I got from a place called Global Tech Engineering. They sell aluminum tubing in any gauge, bend, length you want.... moderately cheap as well. I ordered a bunch of 18 gauge aluminum in 3" OD. Straights and bends to make sure we had enough stock. Costs like 100 bucks... And then I had my engine builder tig the shit all together and we did a plate with a flange that mounts a 9" conical air filter off the bottom under the car while the plate seperates the hot engine compartment air from the dense under car air.... if

The hat was like 200 bucks from Procharger. They had polished ones as well for all you "Bling Bling" guys... :D My 4150 throttle body works great. Accufab makes a great product. I had no problem tuning it either. NO tip in issues, part throttle response is great an it's a beast at the track...

Beaflag VonRathburg
01-20-2009, 06:07 PM
With the original topic in mind.... Did you have anything done to the All Pros or are they out of the box as cast?

I'd like to see if there are any variances in performance with a boosted application. Take an intake with a traditional style TB, swap to a 4150 style with a hat on it, and see what the differences if any are.

Loudmouth LS1
01-20-2009, 06:40 PM
That's a significant gain. Congrats. Quick question...Where did you end up putting the IAT sensor?

I just put a resistor in mine to make it read 72 all the time.

383lt1impala
01-22-2009, 10:24 AM
I have the wilson 90degree elbow and 90mm tb. Now I want to change it!

lsxpinto
02-23-2009, 08:45 PM
Anyone have a height on the accufab 4150 throttle body?
What about the edelbrock throttle body?

lilicedout24
02-28-2009, 11:07 AM
sorry to hijack but would someone gain anything from going with this over a FAST 92? on a 12:1 408?

?????good ? i would like to hear this answer. is it better then fast set up?

HASTINGSRJ
02-28-2009, 11:19 AM
After reading this post, I am so glad I went with Aarons intake elbow for my carb style GMPP intake. Oh, and on a side note, Aaron is a stand up guy. Thanks again Aaron.

rob

lsxpinto
02-28-2009, 11:32 AM
Anyone have a height on the accufab 4150 throttle body?
What about the edelbrock throttle body?.

FYI
Edelbrock is 2 1/4" tall and come with sensors flows 1000 cfm 429.00
Accufab is 2" tall and doesn't come with sensors flows 1200 cfm 529.00

Scott

FASTFATBOY
02-28-2009, 04:57 PM
.

FYI
Edelbrock is 2 1/4" tall and come with sensors flows 1000 cfm 429.00
Accufab is 2" tall and doesn't come with sensors flows 1200 cfm 529.00

Scott

Holley also makes a 1000 cfm, but looks IDENTICAL to a Wilson or an Accufab. Its 2 inches tall comes with IAC for $490

lsxpinto
03-01-2009, 09:27 AM
Holley also makes a 1000 cfm, but looks IDENTICAL to a Wilson or an Accufab. Its 2 inches tall comes with IAC for $490

That doe's look nice. I just ordered the Edelbrock.

lsxpinto
03-03-2009, 10:13 PM
The Edelbrock looks nice.
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj225/KCHORNS/LS1/ls1wthrottlebody008.jpg

KAOS
03-10-2009, 07:51 AM
so with the 4 barrel setup how do you run a maf or do you go with SD tuning?

383lt1impala
03-10-2009, 11:21 AM
What are the tipical gaings from a 90 degree elbow with 90mm tb to a 4150 style tb? Since the cfm flow number is 100cfm of each other.

Krazy98Z28
03-10-2009, 11:45 AM
so with the 4 barrel setup how do you run a maf or do you go with SD tuning?


SD Tuning. My elbow setup is also SD tuned.

Patrick G
03-10-2009, 11:46 AM
What are the tipical gaings from a 90 degree elbow with 90mm tb to a 4150 style tb? Since the cfm flow number is 100cfm of each other.Read post #1. He gained 50rwhp.

383lt1impala
03-10-2009, 12:28 PM
That's with a 4500 style with flows about 2000cfm.

Patrick G
03-10-2009, 05:46 PM
That's with a 4500 style with flows about 2000cfm.The throttle body is not what kills the power, it's the intake elbow. Asking the air to make a tight 180 degree turn kills flow going into the front cylinders.

Jimmy P
03-11-2009, 07:26 PM
What are you guys doing with the TB cable when you use a 4 barrel TB?

71 chevy
03-11-2009, 09:37 PM
The throttle body is not what kills the power, it's the intake elbow. Asking the air to make a tight 180 degree turn kills flow going into the front cylinders.

even with the 4 barrel body and a carb hat, you still have to make at least a almost the same turn

AINT SKEERED
03-11-2009, 10:48 PM
when you run speed density you dont have to make a turn. You run with a carb style filter or none at all.

StreetStalkerZ
03-20-2009, 01:39 AM
How much or any Horse Power trade off between the Edelbrock 4150 TB and Accufab 4150 TB. Edelbrock claims 1000cfm flow and Accufab claims 1215cfm flow. Would it matter between the two on a 500rwhp NA 370 setup?

I'm under the impression that a 1000cfm is plenty of airflow on one of these motors??

FASTFATBOY
03-20-2009, 07:22 AM
even with the 4 barrel body and a carb hat, you still have to make at least a almost the same turn

You are after the air distribution of the 4 hole.

StreetStalkerZ
03-21-2009, 05:26 PM
I found a cheaper alternative for a carb. hat intake for the 4 barrel throttle bodies. Summit racing part number(SPE-9849),it has a 4 inch inlet tube that can be used to clamp a inlet tube to your airlid and run your filter setup like you already have it.

If anyone knows of one cheaper please post it with a part number :D

Jimmy P
03-22-2009, 12:48 PM
That hat has been discussed numerous times over at the turbomustang forums. The general consesus is that the top piece of it which is flat isn't good for air flow. Look up the Extreme Velocity bonnet. Those seem to be the best ones with dyno numbers to back it up.

StreetStalkerZ
03-22-2009, 07:05 PM
That hat has been discussed numerous times over at the turbomustang forums. The general consesus is that the top piece of it which is flat isn't good for air flow. Look up the Extreme Velocity bonnet. Those seem to be the best ones with dyno numbers to back it up. Has anyone tried a face off between the two caps to see how much of a difference the two are?

n20z28
05-19-2009, 12:27 AM
ok guys i like this thread... so bought a vic jr and edel elbow it killed my car. at the time my built heads cam 346 dynoed 360hp 306 tq .. i see now where it all went (in the elbow)... but one other problem i had... when tuning them to 12.5 to 13 to 1 they were fine ran great... but over time they kill plugs. and went rich... almost like they were developing vacuum leaks? has anyone had this problem? i tried this on two diff cars and both of them had same problem.. i was ready to throw this thing in trash... so do u guys think i should buy another elbow or throttle body and will fix my problem and pick up hp over my ls6 this time on my current set up in my sig... i really hate to throw any more money into this paper weight.. unless it works this time

Krazy98Z28
05-19-2009, 04:54 AM
I would get the aarons elbow or go with a 4 barrel throttle body.

Robert56
05-19-2009, 09:59 AM
That is the edelbrock ultra low elbow. It has a HORRIBLE bend in it! I would not doubt your pick up in HP between it and the arrons elbow. I have the low profile edelbrock elbow,will not clear a stock hood. I may get the high flow elbow,if i have enough room under the hood and try it for comparrison between the two.
That's the confusion here. They are comparing the ultra low Edelbrock elbow, and they have 3 different height models to choose from. So if you need the clearance for the hood, the low profile is in order.

Check out my sheet metal elbow, it also doesn't flow well, so we must compare apples to apples, not oranges to apples, lol. It was designed to fit, sort of, under a stock c5 hood. I don't really care though, the spray will take care of any needed HP, lol.


http://www.robertsnitrousservice.com//AA%20Z06%20Triple%20Stage/Nice%20quarter%20view%20resize.jpg
Robert

Robert56
05-19-2009, 10:03 AM
The edelbrock elbows have to be some of the worst choices for a single plane. The bend radius is horrible compared to a typical wilson or sheetmetal elbow.
Their full flow 90 elbow is likely just as good as the others IE: Wilson. What is being compared is the one they designed for hood clearance.
Robert

StreetStalkerZ
05-19-2009, 04:34 PM
I went ahead and put a edelbrock 4150 TB on my victor jr a few weeks ago along with the spectre 4" hat. I'll get it tuned and see how well it runs at the track,sadly i can't compare it to the bigger edelbrock elbow i had on it. As far as SOTP the 4 barrel is far better through out the RPM band now and the tune is bad rich.

Beaflag VonRathburg
05-19-2009, 05:15 PM
^ Post some pictures.

StreetStalkerZ
05-19-2009, 07:17 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/35iausx.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/i2vwib.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/302uzwx.jpg

Robert56
05-19-2009, 07:25 PM
Doesn't putting a hard turn 90 on that TB kind of void the benifit of the carb style TB? It is for pressureized systems so flow doesn't really matter like n/a, so...
Robert

StreetStalkerZ
05-19-2009, 08:03 PM
Doesn't putting a hard turn 90 on that TB kind of void the benifit of the carb style TB? It is for pressureized systems so flow doesn't really matter like n/a, so...
RobertWho says you have to run the carb hat at the track?

The carb hat to me does not hurt the flow with the 4150 throttle body that much because the 4150 TB will will straighten the air out before it enters the plenum and distributes the air evenly to all of the runners,unlike a elbow setup that can't straighten the air enough to keep from starving the front two runners. You answered your own question with the fact that it is not a pressureized setup like a turbo or S/C setup to where the air is forced in and needs more of a smoother turn radius hat or elbow setup. It does not have to straighten the air out in the plenum because of the forced being applied from the turbo or S/C will insure the runners get enough air. See if a buddy has a 4150 TB that will let you swap them for testing,i promise you will smile like a sh!t eatin dog after you get on the throttle.

I'll try to get some runs in with and without the carb hat on to see how much or if any difference is made. I'm willing to bet the carb hat is not hurting performace much at all on a NA setup.

Krazy98Z28
05-20-2009, 05:25 AM
I really like how you did that, my biggest fear was getting an air filter on the TB if I wanted to street drive the car. I really like that setup.

I'd be curious to see the difference at the track and on a dyno between no hat and with.

StreetStalkerZ
05-20-2009, 08:15 AM
I really like how you did that, my biggest fear was getting an air filter on the TB if I wanted to street drive the car. I really like that setup.

I'd be curious to see the difference at the track and on a dyno between no hat and with.If the track is not packed out friday night i'll try to make a few passes with the hat off.

A friend of mine has the exact same setup on his 408ci motor,maybe we can test his also to see if we both get the same results.

Robert56
05-20-2009, 03:56 PM
Who says you have to run the carb hat at the track?

The carb hat to me does not hurt the flow with the 4150 throttle body that much because the 4150 TB will will straighten the air out before it enters the plenum and distributes the air evenly to all of the runners,unlike a elbow setup that can't straighten the air enough to keep from starving the front two runners. You answered your own question with the fact that it is not a pressureized setup like a turbo or S/C setup to where the air is forced in and needs more of a smoother turn radius hat or elbow setup. It does not have to straighten the air out in the plenum because of the forced being applied from the turbo or S/C will insure the runners get enough air. See if a buddy has a 4150 TB that will let you swap them for testing,i promise you will smile like a sh!t eatin dog after you get on the throttle.

I'll try to get some runs in with and without the carb hat on to see how much or if any difference is made. I'm willing to bet the carb hat is not hurting performace much at all on a NA setup.

yea, i wish i could find a fly by wire carb style throttle body for the Vettes.
Robert

StreetStalkerZ
05-21-2009, 05:17 PM
yea, i wish i could find a fly by wire carb style throttle body for the Vettes.
Robert
I bet that sucks!

'Trust'
05-21-2009, 06:21 PM
Here is how mine is setup:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/98NBM_TransAm/UCO6.jpg

The car picked up 130RWHP from an LS6 (FI of course)

n20z28
05-21-2009, 11:47 PM
how do u gust think this will wok on my set up (in sig) should i get arrons elbow and a 90 or should i do 4 ble tb

n20z28
05-21-2009, 11:48 PM
i made 407hp on nitrous then 598 on spray

n20z28
05-22-2009, 12:29 AM
if i went with 4bble route how big of throttle body would i need... 1000cfm? more ?

Phat69
05-22-2009, 09:50 AM
[QUOTE=SIC LSX;10659967]user dlove went from from stock l76 intake and 92mm tb to this and didnt gain anything in the 1/4! Ran same time :(

QUOTE]

He should try a vic jr. instead of the GMPP intake

WizeAss
05-23-2009, 09:19 AM
this works fine in my opinion: Car made a best pull of 470rwhp...around 700 on the spray depending on bottle pressure.....

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v653/95/93/1274913059/n1274913059_441252_801332.jpg

WizeAss
05-23-2009, 09:20 AM
i made 407hp on nitrous then 598 on spray

:confused::confused::confused: :hijack:

n20z28
05-24-2009, 03:35 AM
:confused::confused::confused: :hijack:

o yea... just asking some ?

BlackTA96
05-26-2009, 08:17 PM
o yea... just asking some ?

lol.
re read your last post.


This thread is really making me think about going the carb intake route

StreetStalkerZ
05-26-2009, 09:23 PM
No new times yet. I got a few issues with some other things on the car i need to resolve before i head back. I'll post up comparisions with the hat on and off when i go.

Texas_WS6
06-09-2009, 12:28 PM
I am running the ultra low profile Edelbrock elbow. My porter flowed the heads intake and elbow all together and claimed the elbow did nothing negative to the flow. He claimed the Aarons elbow hurt the flow. I can tell you my 408 is highly modified and should make some killer power, BUT it does not!! The car only turned 12.77 ET at 104mph! This is crap! The stock 346 with a MS3 cam did that! I am at 3500 feet elevation and the DA out here is 5000+ but still, I think I am missing at least 150hp! I have checked everything I can think of and can not find anything wrong. All I can come up with is the elbow. That ultra low profile elbow has to be killing the flow on the big end. I bet if I went to the one Aaron makes the car would wake up.

This is my question: I am installing a GT88 rear mount at this time one the car. Do you think it is even worth changing the elbow out if I am FI the car?

Robert56
06-09-2009, 02:47 PM
this works fine in my opinion: Car made a best pull of 470rwhp...around 700 on the spray depending on bottle pressure.....

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v653/95/93/1274913059/n1274913059_441252_801332.jpg
I agree, the wide turn radius sheet metal elbows are probably fine for us spraying. Sure a high performance cast 90 may make a few more n/a ponies but for spraying or boosted cars a reasonable sheet metal elbow will be fine should we have one already. now with that said, most of us got the sheet metals when that was all that was available, however, now with the engineered cast elbows form Edelbrock and Wilson available I would rec getting one of them should we be buying new.

Robert

Krazy98Z28
06-09-2009, 02:53 PM
I would change the elbow

Robert56
06-09-2009, 03:04 PM
I am running the ultra low profile Edelbrock elbow. My porter flowed the heads intake and elbow all together and claimed the elbow did nothing negative to the flow. He claimed the Aarons elbow hurt the flow. I can tell you my 408 is highly modified and should make some killer power, BUT it does not!! The car only turned 12.77 ET at 104mph! This is crap! The stock 346 with a MS3 cam did that! I am at 3500 feet elevation and the DA out here is 5000+ but still, I think I am missing at least 150hp! I have checked everything I can think of and can not find anything wrong. All I can come up with is the elbow. That ultra low profile elbow has to be killing the flow on the big end. I bet if I went to the one Aaron makes the car would wake up.

This is my question: I am installing a GT88 rear mount at this time one the car. Do you think it is even worth changing the elbow out if I am FI the car?
For FI the Ultra low elbow will likely work as well as any. But for n/a it's certainly limited as is my low profile sheet metal elbow. I am going to try the Low Profile Edelbrock elbow which has a "Bore Center Line" (BCL) of 2" compared to the ultra low @ 1/2" BCL. This really is the indicator of how restrictive the Ultra low can and is. The flange angle is 102 on the Ultra and 95 on the Low Profile Elbow. This angle also shows how much was compromised on the Ultra Low, the Low profile elbow is only 5 off from a true 90 cast elbow. Also using the Low Profile cast elbow I can add a spacer under it should I need even better flow and to make it closer to the Edelbrock High flow cast elbow which has a BCL of 4.5". I just don't want a big ugly scoop on the hood of my Vette and thus the reason trying to use the lower than optimum profile.

All in all the Edelbrock Low profile and High flow elbows are nice engineered pieces. they have the internal divider to optimize flow quantity and distribution into the manifold, no more lean front cylinder issues. This is the piece for you guys spraying at the TB. Some have had distribution problems with the spray on the single plains and sheet metal intakes, which have also resulted in low produced spray numbers.

I think I have some pictures of the above discussed elbows if anyone would like to see them.
Robert

StreetStalkerZ
06-11-2009, 07:59 PM
For FI the Ultra low elbow will likely work as well as any. But for n/a it's certainly limited as is my low profile sheet metal elbow. I am going to try the Low Profile Edelbrock elbow which has a "Bore Center Line" (BCL) of 2" compared to the ultra low @ 1/2" BCL. This really is the indicator of how restrictive the Ultra low can and is. The flange angle is 102 on the Ultra and 95 on the Low Profile Elbow. This angle also shows how much was compromised on the Ultra Low, the Low profile elbow is only 5 off from a true 90 cast elbow. Also using the Low Profile cast elbow I can add a spacer under it should I need even better flow and to make it closer to the Edelbrock High flow cast elbow which has a BCL of 4.5". I just don't want a big ugly scoop on the hood of my Vette and thus the reason trying to use the lower than optimum profile.

All in all the Edelbrock Low profile and High flow elbows are nice engineered pieces. they have the internal divider to optimize flow quantity and distribution into the manifold, no more lean front cylinder issues. This is the piece for you guys spraying at the TB. Some have had distribution problems with the spray on the single plains and sheet metal intakes, which have also resulted in low produced spray numbers.

I think I have some pictures of the above discussed elbows if anyone would like to see them.
RobertThe edelbrock low profile elbow is the one i had on the victor jr intake and switched to the edelbrock 4150 TB. There is a big difference in performace between the two setups. If your going to spray with this elbow it would be wise to add a 1" spacer to allow the air to straighten up more as it enters the intake and allows the nitrous to evenly flow through the runners.

Your in for a shock if you think that elbow will clear the hood for a vette. I had to notch the inner skin of my sunoco hood for mine to fit and had to notch the inside of my buddies WS6 hood for it to close and it is tight with the hood latched. Add a 1" spacer and your busting through the hood like pam andersons boobs in a two peice bikini. Check page one and you will see my low profile elbow setting on top of my Victor Jr intake (just for show).

Texas_WS6
06-12-2009, 08:45 AM
Add a 1" spacer and your busting through the hood like pam andersons boobs in a two peice bikini.

What a beautiful picture!!!:D

As for nitrous, I sent my carb style manifold to Nitrous Express and they perminatly installed spray bars in the manifold. I never hook up the juice to it (I decided to start the turbo install). I had this done in order to keep from adding a 3/4" thick carb style nitrous plate and to save for hood clearence. I was switching from a wet system that injected before the TB to one in the manifold. If I remember right, the spray bar plate was going to cost $350 or so and the spray bars installed in the manifold cost me $210 with the shipping. I wonder if the ultra low elbow would effect the nitrous from the spraybar like it would if injected before the TB. The bar is drilled to shoot toward each runner. It might be a good answer for those who have hood clearance issues.

If you look at the picture in my sign you can see the hose running from infront of the passenger side head up to the center front of the manifold. There is another at the rear of the manifold too. One if for the nitrous and the other the fuel.

Robert56
06-13-2009, 05:23 AM
The edelbrock low profile elbow is the one i had on the victor jr intake and switched to the edelbrock 4150 TB. There is a big difference in performace between the two setups. If your going to spray with this elbow it would be wise to add a 1" spacer to allow the air to straighten up more as it enters the intake and allows the nitrous to evenly flow through the runners.

Your in for a shock if you think that elbow will clear the hood for a vette. I had to notch the inner skin of my sunoco hood for mine to fit and had to notch the inside of my buddies WS6 hood for it to close and it is tight with the hood latched. Add a 1" spacer and your busting through the hood like pam andersons boobs in a two peice bikini. Check page one and you will see my low profile elbow setting on top of my Victor Jr intake (just for show).
First i am not switching to a 4150 TB as there are none for fly by wire. 2nd I am not running the low edelbrock nor said i was? I have the mid height edelbrock and gave the specs. i do have a 1" spacer already and it has been under my sheet metal elbow. also, i never said any elbow would work with the stock vette hood. actually on one of these threads i show with clay exactly where the lowest sheet metals still hit the hood. I have needed a hood for almost two years that i have been playing with this set-up, but for now a nice hole will do, lol. I am working on a combo that we won't loose much HP as the vette guys are not going to be putting a 4150 plate and air cleaner and 10/12" high pro stock hoods onto our cars, lol. Besides, us that are spraying can make up for any HP lose with a 5 dollar jet. :D

http://www.robertsnitrousservice.com//Used%20Stuff/Wilson%20spacer%20resize.JPG

http://www.robertsnitrousservice.com/Direct%20Port%20pics%20for%20site%20use/late%20finished%20picture%20to%20use.JPG

http://www.robertsnitrousservice.com/Direct%20Port%20pics%20for%20site%20use/Wilson%20Spacer.jpg
Robert

Robert56
06-13-2009, 05:26 AM
What a beautiful picture!!!:D

As for nitrous, I sent my carb style manifold to Nitrous Express and they perminatly installed spray bars in the manifold. I never hook up the juice to it (I decided to start the turbo install). I had this done in order to keep from adding a 3/4" thick carb style nitrous plate and to save for hood clearence. I was switching from a wet system that injected before the TB to one in the manifold. If I remember right, the spray bar plate was going to cost $350 or so and the spray bars installed in the manifold cost me $210 with the shipping. I wonder if the ultra low elbow would effect the nitrous from the spraybar like it would if injected before the TB. The bar is drilled to shoot toward each runner. It might be a good answer for those who have hood clearance issues.

If you look at the picture in my sign you can see the hose running from infront of the passenger side head up to the center front of the manifold. There is another at the rear of the manifold too. One if for the nitrous and the other the fuel.
Wet shot guys have been having lean issues with the front cylinders with non engineered sheet metal elbows. the dividers have proven themselves worth while on the cast elbows.
Robert

StreetStalkerZ
06-13-2009, 01:09 PM
Robert,i never said anything about you fitting a 4150 TB under a vette hood. I was mearly stateing that i had to trim my sunoco to fit my edelbrock low profile elbow on my intake and with a 1" spacer it would be even worse under a vette hood. You can change the hood if you want that is your right but their are other guys that lurk in this thread wanting answers for this type of setup that for some reason people on this site are keeping it hush...hush.

You said in your thread you were going to try the low profile elbow??? I'm not running my mouth to start a fight just speaking on actual knowledge because i had that elbow. I will keep my information to myself from now on because this thread has alot of good information on the Victor Jr. setups and i don't want it to get locked up.

Robert56
06-13-2009, 02:34 PM
Robert,i never said anything about you fitting a 4150 TB under a vette hood. I was mearly stateing that i had to trim my sunoco to fit my edelbrock low profile elbow on my intake and with a 1" spacer it would be even worse under a vette hood. You can change the hood if you want that is your right but their are other guys that lurk in this thread wanting answers for this type of setup that for some reason people on this site are keeping it hush...hush.

You said in your thread you were going to try the low profile elbow??? I'm not running my mouth to start a fight just speaking on actual knowledge because i had that elbow. I will keep my information to myself from now on because this thread has alot of good information on the Victor Jr. setups and i don't want it to get locked up.
Yes the low profile elbow is on it's way, not the ultra low that you tried. It's all good no worry. We all put out info, just trying to clarify so those reading along don't get mixed up. Just a slight misunderstanding that's all, lol. :D The main point I am trying to make is most of us used the boosted sheet metal elbows in the begining only because that was all that was out there and now we have more options to do it better. By the way, the Vette cowl is way different from the F-Body and triming the cowl for the ultra low elbow would not be needed, and it may even work with the stock hood, but flow would suffer.
Robert

StreetStalkerZ
06-13-2009, 03:54 PM
I did not have the "ultra low" i had the "low profile" edelbrock elbow setup. Look on page 1 of this thread,i have a picture of it setting on my intake.

Robert56
06-13-2009, 04:39 PM
I did not have the "ultra low" i had the "low profile" edelbrock elbow setup. Look on page 1 of this thread,i have a picture of it setting on my intake.
OK, that's where the confusion comes from. On the 1st page the Ultra low is shown and I thought that was the one you had, but next page you state the Low elbow as the one you had, my bad. IIRC, the Ultra low is rated for like 400hp, and after that it becomes a giant flow restriction. I would not use the Ultra low for anything outside boosted applications. Hopefully my new Low Profile Edelbrock Elbow and the spacer will work fairly well n/a. The reason we don't go to the true 90 cast elbow is the fact that I am trying to find something that works and will still allow for the stock bellows and coupler/fittings to be used, along with all other stock plumbing IE: wiring, PCV, CAI. The true 90's just move the TB to a location that causes re plumbing of everything on the Vettes and I am trying also to keep my new after market hood as low as possible. Do you have any of your latest pictures of what you now are trying? We have a thread at nitrousforum.com dedicated to elbows and plumbing. Many examples of what creative minds have come up with. Hopefully the guys building the sheet metal elbows will experiment with adding the divider to help distribute the air better, time will tell. however, for boosted I wonder if the divider is needed or would actually help in any way? Thanks for the clarification. :D

If any one would like some additional pictures of different set-ups that i have collected, I would be more than happy to put them into this thread?
Robert

StreetStalkerZ
06-13-2009, 06:40 PM
My low profile edelbrock elbow i had to use two spectre 45* elbows for the airlid and throttle body to connect. I have images of that setup on my homepage under my sig. My new setup is the 4150 edelbrock throttle body pictured on the next to last page.

Texas_WS6
06-15-2009, 11:29 AM
I am running the Ultra Low one. I bet that is why mine will not make more then 400hp cranshaft. I am presently installing my turbo kit, do you think it would be benifitial to change the elbow out?

StreetStalkerZ
06-15-2009, 04:02 PM
I am running the Ultra Low one. I bet that is why mine will not make more then 400hp cranshaft. I am presently installing my turbo kit, do you think it would be benifitial to change the elbow out?
If you have a aftermarket hood it would be ideal to change to a 90* style elbow for best flow. I would check out a wilson or edelbrock 90* style elbow,seems to be what most of the fast turbo setups run.

AaronL
06-15-2009, 04:58 PM
Wet shot guys have been having lean issues with the front cylinders with non engineered sheet metal elbows. the dividers have proven themselves worth while on the cast elbows.
Robert

Not much "engineering" involved in centering a divider in an elbow.... If you are spraying fuel before the intake elbow, all you gotta do is ask for a divider to be installed when ordering an elbow... Done it numerous times before.

-Aaron

ZR1 DREAMING
06-15-2009, 05:08 PM
Any new updates Blacksheep? Or did you get lost in all of the off topic stuff in between? :eyes:

71 chevy
06-16-2009, 10:25 PM
what are you guys with the 4150 tbs doing for throttle cable brackets? and how is it working. this was asked earlier in the thread but it was ignored.

Robert56
06-17-2009, 05:01 PM
Not much "engineering" involved in centering a divider in an elbow.... If you are spraying fuel before the intake elbow, all you gotta do is ask for a divider to be installed when ordering an elbow... Done it numerous times before.

-Aaron
That's good to know. I haven't seen any yet, nor heard of. Not knocking your stuff in any way shape or form, as I have sent many to you. Looking at the Edelbrock elbow, the divider is not centered and it is a certain length depending on which style you choose. That is where the engineering part of the equation comes from. Edelbrock did not just guess at the location, they computer modeled it, then actually flowed in real world terms, them dyno verified the results. They have the minds and equipment to get it right.
Robert

WizeAss
06-19-2009, 03:05 PM
I want to do a 4 hole TB setup like an Accufab... but I like this new look waaaaaaay tooooo much! :devil::pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c15/forteen3gt/CamaraPictures011.jpg

WizeAss
06-19-2009, 03:07 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c15/forteen3gt/Mike%20Stewart%20408%20WS6%20Trans%20Am%20by%20RPM %20Lewisville%20Tx/MikeStewart408WS6TransAmbyRPM2.jpg

Texas_WS6
06-19-2009, 07:58 PM
So does no one make a GOOD elbow for the F-body that does not require cutting the cowling or hood? What if you had one built that was wider then the intake flange area, like a large box, so the air flow could enter into the intake from all four sides? Maybe it could have air foils in it to help direct the airflow around to the sides and back. Would this allow for more airflow into the intake with a low profile that will fit under the hood and cowling? Maybe Aaron will have some good ideas on this. There is no way that I will cut my cowling or hood. I will go back to the POS plastic OEM intake before I do that.

Texas_WS6
06-19-2009, 08:00 PM
I want to do a 4 hole TB setup like an Accufab... but I like this new look waaaaaaay tooooo much! :devil::pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:



I like that air lid you have, what brand is it?

Man those pics are wide!

Jimmy P
06-19-2009, 08:10 PM
I will go back to the POS plastic OEM intake before I do that.

That plastic "POS" intake isn't that bad at all actualy. If you don't want to do any cutting, just stick to the LS6 intake. I had intakeelbows elbow with a GMPP manifold and NW 90. Go look at the last picture on post # 26. Thats my old setup. A little notching of the cowl isn't that bad..I will have to cut alot more to get the Vic Jr, Accufab 4Barrel TB, and a nice carb hat/bonnet.

Texas_WS6
06-19-2009, 09:20 PM
Any cutting of my car is the complete end of the world to me. I will not cut on this car.

I do not like the OEM manifolds. I have the original manifold but it is a LS6 manifold, I would need a L92/LS3 manifold. The OEM style manifold hurts the airflow of my heads.

69_YENKO
06-26-2009, 10:20 PM
I changed from a 90deg elbow/ 90mm throttle body to a 4500 Fast throttle body and went to dyno to see the difference. Keep in mind this is in a truck. Before it made 512hp through th400/ 9 inch . This time it made 562hp, not too bad for a truck. It picked up a little on spray also. Not to bad for a 4 year old motor. Motor spec: iron block 408 11.5cr, All pro LS1 heads, Futral S/R cam, Vic Jr intake.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177/Blacksheep408/Truck/DSCN0123-1.jpg

What was required to get the throttle cable hooked up?

also do you have any pictures of the direct port install, the intake doent have N2O bungs does it?, I have that same NX kit that was intalled in the fast 90 that i just blew up. :(

FASTFATBOY
07-26-2009, 01:50 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/35iausx.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/i2vwib.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/302uzwx.jpg

WHich carb hat is this? And how tall is it??

Jimmy P
07-26-2009, 02:08 PM
Thats the Spectre hat. I believe summit sells that.

FASTFATBOY
07-28-2009, 07:18 AM
Guys that have done this swap did it REQUIRE a retune. This question is for the guys with MAF meters.

If you are speed density I know it required a re tune.

SHouldnt the MAF handle the swap with little or no issue?

StreetStalkerZ
07-28-2009, 04:51 PM
Guys that have done this swap did it REQUIRE a retune. This question is for the guys with MAF meters.

If you are speed density I know it required a re tune.

SHouldnt the MAF handle the swap with little or no issue?I'm speed density so the question does not apply to me but i have some info that might be useful to you.

My buddies 408 setup was tuned for the common elbow/intake combo,after the accufab 4 barrel swap alone his injector duty cycle went from the upper 70s to high 90s and even a tad over a 100% duty cycle at WOT. IMO yes you will need a retune even with a MAF. It's flowing alot more air and needing to match the incoming air with fuel and i don't think the MAF can compensate for all of the tuning that it will need to balance the A/F ratio out. With my swap my A/F ratio dove down to 11.2:1 from the elbow to the 4 barrel but we tune in SD.

blackedout drop ls1
07-29-2009, 02:00 AM
Good numbers

rmata
07-29-2009, 07:47 AM
I'm fixing to do an edelbrock w/ aarons elbow next weekend. I think I'm going to ditch the maf and switch my car over to a speed density tune. So I should be able to run a strait hose from my 90mm throttle body all the way to my volant, right? Anybody know where I can find something that will work?

FASTFATBOY
07-29-2009, 11:44 AM
I'm fixing to do an edelbrock w/ aarons elbow next weekend. I think I'm going to ditch the maf and switch my car over to a speed density tune. So I should be able to run a strait hose from my 90mm throttle body all the way to my volant, right? Anybody know where I can find something that will work?

Go to your local 18 wheeler dealer, the parts dept can get something.

I think its turbohoses.com or something like that, do a google for a name like that.

FASTFATBOY
07-31-2009, 01:02 PM
You guys that have done the swap to a 4 hole, post pics of the throttle cable setup and holder.

I bought a 4 hole, but it "looks" as though if I set it on the intake the deal I want to use to hold the throttle cable will hit my fuel rail, it uses the 2 left side mounting bolts. The carb flange sits under the top of the fuel rail. Need some different ideas.



Thanks

rmata
07-31-2009, 05:46 PM
Yeah, too bad there's not too many good writeups on this install. I wanted to go with a 4150 throttle body, but I bought mine used and it came with the elbow already I'm going to try it out like that first. I'll take some pictures and what I had to do to get everything to work, because it was hard for me to find anything. Mostly because the search feature sucks on this site, lol

jmill96Z
07-31-2009, 05:58 PM
Here is my setup. This is about the only picture I could find of the throttle:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/jmill96Z/IMG_4366.jpg

StreetStalkerZ
08-02-2009, 07:24 PM
Here is my setup. This is about the only picture I could find of the throttle:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/jmill96Z/IMG_4366.jpgMine is setup like jmill. I used the summit bracket like his jegs bracket. This bracket setup was the cleanest and also seemed to be the best setup that would bolt on and not have any hang ups.

Jimmy P
08-02-2009, 10:54 PM
Do you have a part number for that bracket?

Robert56
08-05-2009, 05:57 PM
Here's my latest. I went with the mid height edelbrock because it's longer over overall and trying to use the stock Vette CAI plumbing. Also, I have the Wilson pop off spacer so it's close to a true 90.
http://www.robertsnitrousservice.com/AA%20Newest%20My%20Motor/resize001.jpg
Robert

Robert56
08-05-2009, 06:13 PM
Yeah, too bad there's not too many good writeups on this install. I wanted to go with a 4150 throttle body, but I bought mine used and it came with the elbow already I'm going to try it out like that first. I'll take some pictures and what I had to do to get everything to work, because it was hard for me to find anything. Mostly because the search feature sucks on this site, lol
There is one on another site and I was going to link it, but most of the how-to pics for the f-body are missing. I am trying to get them back on there and if I can we will link it here. Have one on CAI plumbing options also.
Robert

rmata
08-05-2009, 11:35 PM
There is one on another site and I was going to link it, but most of the how-to pics for the f-body are missing. I am trying to get them back on there and if I can we will link it here. Have one on CAI plumbing options also.
Robert

That would be great. This is about the only good thread on this intake so when I'm done with everything I'll start a new thread for my install and post a link in here too. I'm only waiting on a few other things to come in before I can get started. Oh, quick question. My IAT sensor will go on the side of my elbow, the Brake booster hose on the fitting on the back runner, but where are you guys putting the MAP sensor at? I see there's a plug there on the side of the intake flange, so I wonder if I can fit it in there? Other than that I think I should be ok since I plan on deleting the PCV and Evap system during this install. On the Evep can I just cap it off at the hardline in the engine bay, or do I need to drop the gas tank and disconnect it from back there too?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/ruben_mata2/Car/005.jpg

Krazy98Z28
08-06-2009, 05:41 AM
Did you guys see a differece porting the vic jr?

Robert56
08-06-2009, 06:01 PM
That would be great. This is about the only good thread on this intake so when I'm done with everything I'll start a new thread for my install and post a link in here too. I'm only waiting on a few other things to come in before I can get started. Oh, quick question. My IAT sensor will go on the side of my elbow, the Brake booster hose on the fitting on the back runner, but where are you guys putting the MAP sensor at? I see there's a plug there on the side of the intake flange, so I wonder if I can fit it in there? Other than that I think I should be ok since I plan on deleting the PCV and Evap system during this install. On the Evep can I just cap it off at the hardline in the engine bay, or do I need to drop the gas tank and disconnect it from back there too?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/ruben_mata2/Car/005.jpg

I think your questions are answered in this thread somewhere, and trying to get mrr23 to add back his f-boy specific pics.
Single Plain Install Info (http://www.nitrousforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1728)

Robert

mrr23
08-06-2009, 08:09 PM
pics are back up

rmata
08-13-2009, 12:06 AM
This seems to be the mother of all victor jr threads, so here's a link to my install for anyone doing research on this.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-external-engine/1162846-my-victor-jr-install.html#post12063425

FASTFATBOY
10-27-2009, 08:20 PM
Any updates on this intake swap, track results? One in here was speed density and was gonna make some runs with the hat on and off.

Shawn MacAnanny
10-27-2009, 08:36 PM
I'm curious to see the results as well. Ive still been to lazy to run the fuel line/pump for my new EFI 4150/victor JR speed density setup.

hotrodscrap
11-03-2009, 09:21 AM
Fastfatboy, who makes the intake you have on your LTx in the picture on page 1, p/n? Is it a low-rise, dual-plane, and bolt-on? Thanks, sorry for all the questions.

-SS

FASTFATBOY
11-15-2009, 12:14 PM
Guys with the elbow setup, did you see a problem with your 4 corner cylinders being lean?

FASTFATBOY
11-15-2009, 12:16 PM
Fastfatboy, who makes the intake you have on your LTx in the picture on page 1, p/n? Is it a low-rise, dual-plane, and bolt-on? Thanks, sorry for all the questions.

-SS

No I have a Super Victor #2925 It was converted to EFI.

Edelbrock makes a Victor "E" already setup.

LS6
12-06-2009, 02:50 PM
This thread made me thinking of the potential of the Super Vic. Jr.

I'm planning for the 402 or 407ci, and now the plan is changed to go with the Super Vic. Jr.

Very Informative thread...

Please keep us posted of any update...

Congratulation

deuce4935
12-08-2009, 11:54 PM
I changed from a 90deg elbow/ 90mm throttle body to a 4500 Fast throttle body and went to dyno to see the difference. Keep in mind this is in a truck. Before it made 512hp through th400/ 9 inch . This time it made 562hp, not too bad for a truck. It picked up a little on spray also. Not to bad for a 4 year old motor. Motor spec: iron block 408 11.5cr, All pro LS1 heads, Futral S/R cam, Vic Jr intake.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177/Blacksheep408/curt562-13.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o177/Blacksheep408/Truck/DSCN0123-1.jpg

What part number tps did you use on this throttle body?

Jimmy P
12-09-2009, 12:39 AM
The correct TPS sensor should be the one from a 92 Caprice with a TBI motor.

RayZ06
12-09-2009, 12:42 PM
We made 646 RWHP NA through a Turbo 400 w/8"Circle D Convertor and a Moser 12 Bolt ,spun right up to 8400RPM but peak HP was at 6500-7400 RPM,Yea, its a Cary LS7 Intake and an Accufab 4500.Went to ATCO a few weeks ago and had front end alignment issues but went 6.05 @660ft with lousy 60ft(1.39 cold track)
We have played with elbows on our team cars and they are just power killers.I was told that GM Engineers say the Cary intake is worth 60HP over the GMPP Cast Intake on LS7 heads.We Ran a 3200 lb Camaro with a street 408 with Cary small bore LS7 heads and a GMPP Intake with a 4150 accufab and went 10.09@134mph NA we have elbow setups but won't be using them anymore.
Ray T

http://www.artrains.com/ebayphotos/formula_431ci_LSX_010.JPG

http://www.artrains.com/ebayphotos/formula_431ci_LSX_012.JPG

taner
12-30-2009, 09:39 PM
interesting reading.

Robert56
12-31-2009, 12:51 AM
Very impressive results. Was that with your 431ci motor? It's like knocking on BBC territory... I see you also discoverd the vacuum pump, I think more gouys will be seeing the benefit of running one. On a loose nitrous motor sucking oil is a big problem, and freeing up maybe an additional 40hp is sweet too.
Robert

We made 646 RWHP NA through a Turbo 400 w/8"Circle D Convertor and a Moser 12 Bolt ,spun right up to 8400RPM but peak HP was at 6500-7400 RPM,Yea, its a Cary LS7 Intake and an Accufab 4500.Went to ATCO a few weeks ago and had front end alignment issues but went 6.05 @660ft with lousy 60ft(1.39 cold track)
We have played with elbows on our team cars and they are just power killers.I was told that GM Engineers say the Cary intake is worth 60HP over the GMPP Cast Intake on LS7 heads.We Ran a 3200 lb Camaro with a street 408 with Cary small bore LS7 heads and a GMPP Intake with a 4150 accufab and went 10.09@134mph NA we have elbow setups but won't be using them anymore.
Ray T

http://www.artrains.com/ebayphotos/formula_431ci_LSX_010.JPG

http://www.artrains.com/ebayphotos/formula_431ci_LSX_012.JPG

Robert56
12-31-2009, 01:12 AM
I am going to change out heads and go with a Super Vic, and get them flowed. The beater 408ci will make an easy 650rwhp all day already, but hell who can stop trying new stuff? Anyone? Whom has a good rec for some heads that won't cost me an arm and a leg? Looking for no more than 800hp overall with spray, but trying to do it on the cheaper. Probably could push what I have to that point, but hell the cylinder pressures/temps would cause an early death due to the restrictive heads I have IE: heat. We need that exhaust to flow a little better, so heads should be the best on the exhaust side that I can afford. Any constructive critiquing is welcome?

We also will continue running the MAF, or at least a MAF. There are some new larger units on the market, like 105mm, IIRC, so rescaling should allow for what ever flow needs to be met. I love the high-tech of modern electronics, so will be staying with MAF and fly by wire TB.

Here is something else I am looking at below. Still reading up on them, but look promising. I just wonder how they would work under a 90 elbow? They are proven on 4-barrel type set-ups. Link below picture has some of the data. Any insight?
http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/shop/images/products/detail_9_tapered-spacer.jpg
http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=9 (http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=9)

Here's my new vac pump, something that all proper sprayed motors should have, IMO.
http://www.robertsnitrousservice.com/photos/Vacuum-Pump/Vac%20pump%20finished%20resize.JPG

Robert

FASTFATBOY
01-02-2010, 05:52 AM
Which elbow do you have?

I run this setup now. I had the edlebrock elbow on the motor before and i gained 90RWHP switching to this elbow.


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/Krazy98LS1/DSC00962.jpg

I need some more info and pics of this type of intake, the tube running over or through the core support out in front of the raidiator. I have looked all over the darn place on here and have seen posts just cant find them.

Krazy98Z28
01-02-2010, 04:37 PM
I need some more info and pics of this type of intake, the tube running over or through the core support out in front of the raidiator. I have looked all over the darn place on here and have seen posts just cant find them.

That's my old setup.

Intake is Vic Jr, elbow is aarons elbow. the TB was Fast 90, the tubing was custom made by Slowhawk.

Let me know if you need to know anything else.

FASTFATBOY
01-02-2010, 04:44 PM
That's my old setup.

Intake is Vic Jr, elbow is aarons elbow. the TB was Fast 90, the tubing was custom made by Slowhawk.

Let me know if you need to know anything else.


I need pictures of the core support, of the tubing where it goes thorough.

Nasti98Z
01-02-2010, 09:11 PM
I am going to change out heads and go with a Super Vic, and get them flowed. The beater 408ci will make an easy 650rwhp all day already, but hell who can stop trying new stuff? Anyone? Whom has a good rec for some heads that won't cost me an arm and a leg? Looking for no more than 800hp overall with spray, but trying to do it on the cheaper. Probably could push what I have to that point, but hell the cylinder pressures/temps would cause an early death due to the restrictive heads I have IE: heat. We need that exhaust to flow a little better, so heads should be the best on the exhaust side that I can afford. Any constructive critiquing is welcome?

We also will continue running the MAF, or at least a MAF. There are some new larger units on the market, like 105mm, IIRC, so rescaling should allow for what ever flow needs to be met. I love the high-tech of modern electronics, so will be staying with MAF and fly by wire TB.

Here is something else I am looking at below. Still reading up on them, but look promising. I just wonder how they would work under a 90 elbow? They are proven on 4-barrel type set-ups. Link below picture has some of the data. Any insight?
http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/shop/images/products/detail_9_tapered-spacer.jpg
http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=9 (http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=9)

Here's my new vac pump, something that all proper sprayed motors should have, IMO.
http://www.robertsnitrousservice.com/photos/Vacuum-Pump/Vac%20pump%20finished%20resize.JPG

Robert

What brand vacume pump?

Jimmy P
01-03-2010, 05:26 AM
Its a GZ Motorsports vacuum pump setup. I have the same one on my car.

Robert, those 4-barrel type spacers from Wilson are supposed to be real nice. I called and Wilson and asked them for my setup(F1C 402, and they recommended I use the 1" spacer. I ended up not using it due to clerance issues.

Robert56
01-03-2010, 06:30 AM
I already have an open Wilson spacer with the 3 pop offs per side, but not really a fan of the added hieght. Those tapered spacers have got to help strighten the air out and make for better distribution, one would think?
Robert

SlickVert
01-03-2010, 08:06 AM
Just curious, has anyone tried Dynoing with a panel placed a few inch above a Accufab 4500 to simulate the top of a hood to see how much Airflow/HP that it restricts?
Bob

99T/AVert
03-15-2010, 04:47 PM
Bumping for good info.... plus I don't want to have to search for it again so SUB'ing :D

lilicedout24
03-15-2010, 06:34 PM
this is my set up i have to sell but i wanted to go vic jr with accufab


http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1251239-lme-408-stroker-complete-113miles.html

FASTFATBOY
03-15-2010, 07:42 PM
I need a part number on a throttle cable guys.

Mine is in the works now. Wont be a good comparison though, I am having my intake ported, will be on a different dyno and when I made 463 to the wheels before I had 2 hurt pistons.

But I will post the numbers when it gets done.

To the guy worried about the hood/cowl restricting air into the TB, look way back in this post. I posted a link to pics and listed some info to put a carb hat on this setup. i am gonna try and plumb my MAF to my LT1 WS6 airbox like I have now with a carb hat.

There are other pics of a white car with a Spectre hat also.

FASTFATBOY
03-21-2010, 05:51 PM
Anyone got part numbers on the throttle cable bracket and throttle cable you guys are using?

OUTLAWZ RACING
03-21-2010, 10:09 PM
lockar I belive check spelling u can find it at summit.

FASTFATBOY
03-22-2010, 06:33 AM
lockar I belive check spelling u can find it at summit.

Lokar makes about 25 different throttle cables.

htownws6
03-25-2010, 03:32 PM
I'd be interested in hearing some track numbers from changing to this TB/Intake..

FASTFATBOY
04-02-2010, 07:15 AM
Up top, anyone got part numbers on a throttle cable and bracket?

If you have return springs on the throttle shaft of the 4 hole do you NEED them on the bracket?

niceguyyy01
04-02-2010, 10:41 AM
Up top, anyone got part numbers on a throttle cable and bracket?

If you have return springs on the throttle shaft of the 4 hole do you NEED them on the bracket?

I used the Lokar 625-tc-1000ht36 and the jegs bracket for a lokar cable with 4500 throttle body. If you have a 4150 TB then use the one for the lokar cable and the 4150 base.

Yes you will need return springs. My TB has an internal one, but I always use an external one for safety.

1BAD98LS1
04-20-2010, 08:34 PM
Anybody have a supervic with a 4150 4 brl tb setup...if so please post pics. All i see are vic jr's, want to see how people are clearing hoods etc.
Thanks, Sam

1BAD98LS1
04-22-2010, 08:01 PM
Supervics....4brl tbs??? Somebody out there must have this setup:confused:

LIL SS
04-28-2010, 10:11 PM
I have the Super Vic with a Dominator TB. But it's in a 63 pick up. So I don't think pics will help your cowl issues, but I'll post them if you want.

mike c.
05-04-2010, 07:03 PM
What elbow are you guys talking about not making over 400hp? I have the,I thnk ultra low edelbrock elbow to clear my stock ws.6 hood. I made 530hp at 7,000rpm 460tq (lost tq over the l76 intake). I was wanting to try the aarons elbow and am willing to cut a tiny bit to clear if it produces over this edelbrock elbow. I will be running n.o.s and i thought i read i should stick with the edelbrock and add a spacer for that?? will ading a spacer to this elbow gain anything??

BLK02WS6
05-05-2010, 05:39 AM
I have the Super Vic with a Dominator TB. But it's in a 63 pick up. So I don't think pics will help your cowl issues, but I'll post them if you want.

LIL SS - I love that ole truck of yours!

getusum
05-05-2010, 07:49 AM
Supervics....4brl tbs??? Somebody out there must have this setup:confused:

I was going to keep this under wraps until it was ready.....

http://www.arrides.com/ARR/forums/index.php?showtopic=8335&st=15&start=15

mike c.
05-08-2010, 11:28 AM
WIZEASS-tried to pm you and it said you are too full. want to know about your nos set up on the elbow intake?

Tapout911
05-19-2010, 07:22 PM
Bumping this up and subscribing..

The guys on YB say to run as big of a TB as you can. Anybody else have any experience with this. Like to run the accufab 1215 cfm 4150 style or an adapter and a 4500 style that flows 2100. Ive been told you cant have too much, since the engine will only take what it can use. Thoughts?

BLK02WS6
05-19-2010, 07:30 PM
Bumping this up and subscribing..

The guys on YB say to run as big of a TB as you can. Anybody else have any experience with this. Like to run the accufab 1215 cfm 4150 style or an adapter and a 4500 style that flows 2100. Ive been told you cant have too much, since the engine will only take what it can use. Thoughts?

That is a true statement. TBs are not like carbs... you can't over do it with a TB because it is simply an air valve and doesn't meter fuel.

Tapout911
05-20-2010, 04:34 PM
So I guess the biggest issue is clearence. Figure 2" for the 4150-4500 adapter, 1" nitrous plate, and the thickness of the TB. Ive seen a few cars set up like that, but they had all removed the cowl completly

FASTFATBOY
05-20-2010, 06:57 PM
I disagree on the TB being too big, it can be. Back in my old 5.0 days I had a stock 5.0 that ran mid 13's. I put a 65 or 70mm TB on it and it slowed down. BUT there was no way to tune those cars back in the day.

I am trying to stay under my hood I have now...I MIGHT squeak it out.

BLK02WS6
05-20-2010, 07:09 PM
I disagree on the TB being too big, it can be. Back in my old 5.0 days I had a stock 5.0 that ran mid 13's. I put a 65 or 70mm TB on it and it slowed down. BUT there was no way to tune those cars back in the day.


You contradicted yourself - it slowed down because you didn't tune it, not because the throttle body was too big...

Tapout911
05-20-2010, 07:39 PM
Yea and that only happened on the mass air cars. Put a bigger TB on a 86-87 SD 5.0 and it picked up.

I know one fast LT1 guy who is going to a 4500 TB over his previous elbow/tb set up. For me, Ill probably stick to a 4150 for the clearence. Accell makes a 4150 style that flows over 1500 cfm, but its just two big throttle blades so Im wondering if it would really benefit.
http://www.accel-dfi.com/ProductDetails.aspx?modelNumber=74202S2&productID=6171&majID=485&minID=4851&selection=3&minselection=0

Seems there would still be tip in issues with that one.

FASTFATBOY
05-20-2010, 08:17 PM
Yea and that only happened on the mass air cars. Put a bigger TB on a 86-87 SD 5.0 and it picked up.

I know one fast LT1 guy who is going to a 4500 TB over his previous elbow/tb set up. For me, Ill probably stick to a 4150 for the clearence. Accell makes a 4150 style that flows over 1500 cfm, but its just two big throttle blades so Im wondering if it would really benefit.
http://www.accel-dfi.com/ProductDetails.aspx?modelNumber=74202S2&productID=6171&majID=485&minID=4851&selection=3&minselection=0

Seems there would still be tip in issues with that one.

If I didnt have tip in issues with a Monoblade, that one should be ok.

LS6
05-21-2010, 07:54 AM
very nice results

TexasVortexx
07-11-2010, 01:11 AM
Anybody have a supervic with a 4150 4 brl tb setup...if so please post pics. All i see are vic jr's, want to see how people are clearing hoods etc.
Thanks, Sam

Reviving this great thread. I currently have a Super Victor with the Edlebrock ultra low profile elbow and had to trim the WS6 hood as seen in the photos below. I want to replace the elbow and Fast 92 for a 4500 Accufab but may have to settle for a 4150 for clearance issues, plus I don't want to cut the passenger windshield wiper out and I do NOT want to replace my factory WS6 hood for a taller one. Has anyone experience with the super victor and 4150/4500 accufab clearance? Pics would be appreciated too !!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c198/Texasvortex/IMG_2756.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c198/Texasvortex/Picture320-1.jpg

Bout'ItZ28
07-11-2010, 06:56 PM
Vortexx you can mill the top of the intake a little to try to fit a 4500. accufab is about the shortest throttle body you can get. mr gasket makes a 4150 to 4500 adapter that summit/jegs sells for around $50 that is only .5" tall (Part # 1930). I have seen a stock hood with a 4150 but not a 4500 but they were all running the 2 inch size adapter also. Another option would be to just machine a 4500 flange on top. Then you wouldnt have to run an adapter at all.

sbcgenII
07-16-2010, 05:34 AM
So you read this thread and still went with the ultra low?

TexasVortexx
07-16-2010, 07:57 AM
No, I had the ultra low prior to

Sam88Gta1
07-18-2010, 01:49 PM
No, I had the ultra low prior to

You dont have much option without cutting something. Another thing to think about is the 3.5 inch air intake pipe on your car. ID of the pipe is only 87mm. You need to feed that motor with a single 102mm tb and a 4.5 inch air intake.
You can remove the super vic from the car and have 3/4 of an inch milled off the top flange. That will give you enough room to run either a 4150 tb or a new elbow to support the 102mm tb.

TexasVortexx
07-18-2010, 02:48 PM
Thanks for the info Sam. I know I'm going to be cutting on the cowl to fit a 4150 tb I just dont want to cut the passenger windshield wiper off..... yet

Sam88Gta1
07-18-2010, 03:50 PM
Thanks for the info Sam. I know I'm going to be cutting on the cowl to fit a 4150 tb I just dont want to cut the passenger windshield wiper off..... yet

Ive cut the linkage off from under the cowl and left the actual arm on the windshield. No one will ever know its disabled. You can also space the K-member down 1/4 inch on all 6 bolts and it will provide you some more room. Doing the 4150 will gain you 40-50 rwhp. I dont know what it made with its current config but you didnt seem pleased. If you need help you have my number.

TexasVortexx
07-18-2010, 06:32 PM
Ive cut the linkage off from under the cowl and left the actual arm on the windshield. No one will ever know its disabled. You can also space the K-member down 1/4 inch on all 6 bolts and it will provide you some more room. Doing the 4150 will gain you 40-50 rwhp. I dont know what it made with its current config but you didnt seem pleased. If you need help you have my number.

I'm definately leaning towards the 4150 over a conventional TB. I'm just hoping I don't have to cut too much. I have yet to find anyone else running the Super Victor with a 4150 to see what all has to be done to fit it. Spacing the K-member is a good thought. I will let you know what i end up doing before it happens. Thanks

TexasVortexx
07-25-2010, 08:57 PM
Got the 4150, now have to figure out a bracket and what all must be cut... minus the wiper ofcourse !! This is on a Super Victor

Quick99TransAm
07-25-2010, 11:47 PM
how would this work for an fbody.

TexasVortexx
07-25-2010, 11:50 PM
how would this work for an fbody.

I would'nt recommend it if your looking to make more power

Pwebbz28
07-25-2010, 11:57 PM
Jay, you are welcome to try my elbow if you want. I wont need a it for at least a month im sure. Its only 90mm but im willing to bet it does pretty good.

TexasVortexx
07-26-2010, 12:04 AM
Jay, you are welcome to try my elbow if you want. I wont need a it for at least a month im sure. Its only 90mm but im willing to bet it does pretty good.

Patrick, I just bought an Accufab 4-barrell throttlebody, so I'm in good shape, but thank you !!

slippi84
02-01-2012, 05:00 PM
SOrry to grave dig but I know a lot of guys are comparing the 4150 tb's to elbow setups and 92mm or 90mm tbs but what about a 102 setup? Do you still think that a 5140 would make any big difference over a Aarons elbow and NW102 tb. I'm debating if I should switch to a 4150 setup or not but haven't seen anyone compare the bigger tbs

lt1773
07-08-2012, 04:26 PM
sorry to dig the thread up but im looking for more result