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Old 01-31-2009, 10:36 AM
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Well I decided the next thing I'm going to put in my car is a cam. I don't have headers or an upgraded intake manifold and at this point I don't care. I feel that if i put a cam in my car, it will be just as much power as putting headers and a full exhaust on for less money, and I can always add those later anyways. Plus everyone does that first and I just want to try something different.

I will be doing all the work myself, with the help of my brother and dad, so the cost of installation is no there.

I was looking at a few site and I found some package deals with the cam,pushrods, and springs for ~$600 pretty much everywhere. And i will then get a new timing chain, and other supporting cam installs. I will either be using ls1edit or hptunes to tune the car myself.

Im just wondering what cam you guys thing would be best, im looking for the nice lope, with drive-ability, and all the power under the curve, i dont want to spin it to the moon, i probably want to keep the rev limiter at about 6000 like stock.

http://texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp...d=175&catid=49
i was looking at that with possibly a 228r cam?
and also getting an ls2 timing chain.
Would i need to get an ls6 oil pump?

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they do that first because it lets the cam breathe better. if you just put a cam on without better headers and intake your restricting the cam from the extra air its suppose to breath in and let out.
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That TR224 cams hard to beat. 224/224 .585/.585 112+2
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TR cam here but wanting to go bigger.that torquer frm tsp would be nice.
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Originally Posted by 93cz28
they do that first because it lets the cam breathe better. if you just put a cam on without better headers and intake your restricting the cam from the extra air its suppose to breath in and let out.
yeah i understand that, but you will gain about the same from a cam, as you would full boltons, and its less expensive that way. and i can add headers any time i want after that.

yeah ive heard good things about the tr224, i was also looking into the cheatr, only problem with that one is that it sounds stock.
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Originally Posted by twitchtwice
yeah i understand that, but you will gain about the same from a cam, as you would full boltons, and its less expensive that way. and i can add headers any time i want after that.

yeah ive heard good things about the tr224, i was also looking into the cheatr, only problem with that one is that it sounds stock.
oh ok now i get what you want to do. mhh does sound like a little different lol. go for it.
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Originally Posted by 93cz28
oh ok now i get what you want to do. mhh does sound like a little different lol. go for it.
lol im probably going to get outlawed for doing it differently, but i just want to try it out and see what happens. either way you do it something will be holding you back. if you do headers and intake first then your cam is holding you back. so it makes no difference to me.

im just wondering which route to go, with the intent of putting an intake and headers on later.
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There are a few cams on the market designed to run with stock manifolds and intake. I cant remember what one it is but if you search you may find it or someone else may remember it.
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Those are TR Cheatr cams LT.
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Originally Posted by SOMbitch
Those are TR Cheatr cams LT.
yeah thats the one i was looking at. but i am going to get headers and intake eventually, i just wanted to go the cam route first.
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I would do headers/intake first as you can easily run those without any tuning. Then when you do the cam and get a tune, the tune will be optimized with the headers/intake factored in.

If you start with cam, get a tune then get headers/intake later, you are leaving some hp on the table as the headers/intake was not factored into the original tune with the cam.

Just my .02
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^^well hes tuning his own car anyway so he could just pull out the laptop and plug it in and retune
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I disagree with you that it is cheaper to do a cam w/ supporting mods than it is to do headers and intake, but whatever its your car. Do you need an LS6 pump? No, I currently have my stock pump on due to issues with the LS6 pump and im running 40 psi at idle and 60 psi while driving. I will however be replacing the pump just for peace of mind when the issues get resolved. Either way, good luck with your build, Id go with the 228r IMO.
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are you high?
every body does bolt ons first for a reason not just to be the same, if it was more efficient to do a cam first then everyone would be doin it. your setting yourself on fire kid. but what ever i hate being a keyboard warrior so im done.
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the longtubes are needed for the cam..

the fast intake not so much .. LS6 intake is plenty
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while i understand why others do headers first, is so the engine can breath. same thing with the intake. but either route i go, i will end in the same place.

i figure with longtubes, and full exhaust with an ls6 intake, i would net about 40hp.

if i put a cam on without those bolt ons it will net me about 50hp roughly (just throwing it out there)
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I'm not so sure you'll get 50hp out of cam without LT's, unless it's a beast of a cam, but I could be wrong.
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can you not understand what i am saying, i understand you want something different but if it is not more efficient to do the cam first then why waste your time. if you just want to have it lope get a freakin hot cam on a 110 lsa and call it quits.
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Originally Posted by HWI
I'm not so sure you'll get 50hp out of cam without LT's, unless it's a beast of a cam, but I could be wrong.
yeah well. i know the cheatr cam has made up to 380rwhp on cars because its made for stock exhaust.

but i just cant make my mind up on headers and full exhaust or doing a camp swap.



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