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Old 02-10-2009, 11:44 PM
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Default Stock LT1 valve spring max RPM?

What do you recommend max RPM on stock valve train?
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no more than 6000 with a spring that WAS 85lbs on the seat when NEW.....
stock cams benefit with aftermarket springs weather they are hotcam springs at 100lbs on the seat or going directly to 135s it's up to you there....excessive RPM on the stock springs is not good
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Stock springs were barely enough from the factory, plus if you are wanting to turn more rpm's I am guessing a cam is in your sight, which you need new springs anyway.
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Originally Posted by Green3spd
What do you recommend max RPM on stock valve train?
Same as the stock rev limiter.
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Hmm, I always wondered this. My stock motor with 45,000 miles shifts at like 6,500rpm with the A4 at WOT. I always thought that was really high for the stock motor so I usually let off like a lame *** just before it shifts. Fail.
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Originally Posted by KLaBZ28
My stock motor with 45,000 miles shifts at like 6,500rpm with the A4 at WOT.
6,500?? That's really high. I would get that checked out.
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Why would you spin higher anyway? Stock valvetrain doesn't make any power after 6,000rpm.
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Originally Posted by KLaBZ28
Hmm, I always wondered this. My stock motor with 45,000 miles shifts at like 6,500rpm with the A4 at WOT. I always thought that was really high for the stock motor so I usually let off like a lame *** just before it shifts. Fail.
6500 is not the stock rev limit.
Either your tach is off, or the limiter was retuned.

Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
Why would you spin higher anyway? Stock valvetrain doesn't make any power after 6,000rpm.
+1.
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
6500 is not the stock rev limit.
Either your tach is off, or the limiter was retuned.
Do you think gears would throw it off that dramatically? Maybe it's been tuned for different gears.
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Originally Posted by sdm1234
Do you think gears would throw it off that dramatically? Maybe it's been tuned for different gears.
I can't say about the gears as I have never had them, but it seems unlikely. If you have different gears and the speedo still reads correctly (how fast you are actually going), then someone altered the tune, and probably reset the rev limiter at the same time.
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Originally Posted by KLaBZ28
Hmm, I always wondered this. My stock motor with 45,000 miles shifts at like 6,500rpm with the A4 at WOT. I always thought that was really high for the stock motor so I usually let off like a lame *** just before it shifts. Fail.
If your motor is truly STOCK especially down to the cam and springs, if you put it on the dyno you will see HP peak at ~5.8K or so. Why it it is revving 700RPM past HP peak deserves a major "what the ****". If its stock, it is a total waste even revving above 5.9K RPM and all you are doing is killing the motor while going slower.
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
If your motor is truly STOCK especially down to the cam and springs, if you put it on the dyno you will see HP peak at ~5.8K or so. Why it it is revving 700RPM past HP peak deserves a major "what the ****". If its stock, it is a total waste even revving above 5.9K RPM and all you are doing is killing the motor while going slower.
AFAIK, you should be shifting at ~2-300 rpm's (every set up is different) past peak power. That would make shifting right at 6k optimal.
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I have gears, it will rev higher through the shifts, "BUT", that doesn't mean its pulling better, just means it'll "zing" up quicker then with a highway gear, i was talking with Lloyd on this subject, he told me the stock springs are borderline from the factory, but with the lazy lobes on the factory cams, it doesn't cremate them, but they are just that, "borderline", i have found on mine, that it starts platoeing @ 56-5700 on the tack, it'll go to 6-6100, but in reality, its more like 5800, he recammended (especially on a high miled engine), that changing the springs (& nothing else) will net around 10 rwhp, but changing springs/rockers (1.6s) will net a solid 20 rwhp, & then it'll pull much better above 5K with even the stock cam, the only issue there is, with a good spring that has 130+ on the seat, its best to change PRs too, the factory jobs will most likely start folding @ high RPM.
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This thread is old but I realized I never replied, my car is completely stock down to cam and 2.73's there never were any mods done to my car before I bought it and I still have only put on a CAI. All I know is i see the needle go past 6k and I think why the frig does it rev this high? I'll probably take it to the shop around here that tunes LSX and LTX. I don't wanna blow it up before I get to have any real fun
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I am the second owner and I don't think the 32yr old lady that owned it before me did any PMC tuning. lol
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Tach is probably just inaccurate then.

On the original topic, springs fatigue, at this age it is very likely the valves are floating below the factory rev limit. There are gains in just new springs withough changing rockers but doing rockers at the same time is a good idea.
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Originally Posted by KLaBZ28
I am the second owner and I don't think the 32yr old lady that owned it before me did any PMC tuning. lol
You would be surprised how far off these fact. tachs can be, they have been known to be as much as 1000 rpms off. So don't be shocked if your tach reads 6200, but in reality the engines only @ 56-5700.
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
If your motor is truly STOCK especially down to the cam and springs, if you put it on the dyno you will see HP peak at ~5.8K or so. Why it it is revving 700RPM past HP peak deserves a major "what the ****". If its stock, it is a total waste even revving above 5.9K RPM and all you are doing is killing the motor while going slower.
from what i've seen with stock cams and valvetrain peak power is seen in the neighborhood of 5000-5200 rpm my dyno in my sig when my car was stock backs that up as well

on a factory tune that car should be shifting in the neighborhood of 56-5700 rpm
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Originally Posted by KLaBZ28
Hmm, I always wondered this. My stock motor with 45,000 miles shifts at like 6,500rpm with the A4 at WOT. I always thought that was really high for the stock motor so I usually let off like a lame *** just before it shifts. Fail.
Sounds like someone didn't have a clue as to what they were doing and raised the rev limiter way high , probably with a hand held tuner or something of that sort, without making the proper modifications to support that kind of redline. There's no point in shifting that high anyways as you are not seeing any power up there with the stock cam. I'm suprised your motor hasn't quit on you yet!



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