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Speedy0009
06-01-2009, 10:08 PM
Well after my last track visit two weeks ago and cutting my best 60' ever (1.531) my clutch has given up. It held fine through the last pass and that 60ft, it was fine getting onto and off of the trailer but when I swapped to the street wheels/tires to go to Slowhawk's Dyno Day it was slipping terribly in every gear above 2nd..... So I ordered Monster Stage 3, with remote Speed bleeder and a SFI QuickTime bellhosusing (Scatter shield) last week.

Today I spent just under 2.5 hours taking the car out to prepare it for the new clutch.. I was only going to get it up on jack-stands and pull the exhaust.... Instead I made it completely ready for the new parts!

No garage, no help, just nice weather and my own two hands!

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Not bad for a Spec 3 that went 15K+ miles in my 2000 Trans Am beat to hell with the STS Turbo and now another 7500miles in the GTO launching like a mofo on slicks since the day it went in!!

Krazy98Z28
06-01-2009, 10:14 PM
After your done with that, wanna pull my motor :)

Speedy0009
06-01-2009, 10:18 PM
Haven't done a Motor yet... but if you're serious, I'm certainly willing to help out. Just need a place for the car and a cherry picker.
I helped out last year with Keith's 383, but yours should be even easier with no A/C and whatnot! From there's it's just watching the wiring and such!

BAD ASS TA WS6
06-01-2009, 10:29 PM
Damn, that thing is fucking beat LOL.

I'm on my second Spec 3. No complaints, it grabs hard, has no chatter after break in, and driveability is fine for me.

Can't say the say for the twin disk Clutchmasters I just installed in my roommates S/C M3.

What a work out, almost not worth it.

Good luck with the Monster!

Speedy0009
06-01-2009, 10:33 PM
Damn, that thing is fucking beat LOL.

I'm on my second Spec 3. No complaints, it grabs hard, has no chatter after break in, and driveability is fine for me.

Can't say the say for the twin disk Clutchmasters I just installed in my roommates S/C M3.

What a work out, almost not worth it.

Good luck with the Monster!

Thanks man. The Spec 3 was Great to me. It drove like stock in the Trans Am and it chattered only when taking off in the GTO... difference of hydraulics I suppose.

I have been hearing good things about the Monster Clutches and since Don is a Distributor for them I figured I'd try it out!

DannoWS6
06-02-2009, 07:54 AM
Good job man, yeah I'd say that spec clutch doesn't owe you much, you gave it hell.

ScreaminRedZ
06-02-2009, 08:28 AM
Damn, I'm impressed, them shits aren't light! How are the Monster clutches priced compared to the Specs?

BAD ASS TA WS6, you ever get your car dynoed? Did you get your buddy's M3 finished up? It looked like a cool project.

BAD ASS TA WS6
06-02-2009, 08:43 AM
I dynoed 404/373 on Dons dyno.

I just finished the M3 last night. It took me forever to finish building the longblock. Had a bunch of parts that had to be special ordered, and a leaky distribution block for my oil feed lines to the blower.

I'll post up a thread soon, were loading it up and heading to Philly to get it tuned in a few weeks.

Tracer X
06-02-2009, 11:20 AM
Good job man, yeah I'd say that spec clutch doesn't owe you much, you gave it hell.

Plus I think it was at least 5 years old!! So I don't think it owes him anything! :jest: GL with the new clutch Speedy! I've heard really good things about them. :drive:

02SCVette
06-02-2009, 12:16 PM
Impressive work Todd! I'm sure a second set of hands putting the tranny back in would make your life a lot easier though!

ScreaminRedZ
06-02-2009, 02:20 PM
I dynoed 404/373 on Dons dyno.

I just finished the M3 last night. It took me forever to finish building the longblock. Had a bunch of parts that had to be special ordered, and a leaky distribution block for my oil feed lines to the blower.

I'll post up a thread soon, were loading it up and heading to Philly to get it tuned in a few weeks.

Great numbers! Can't wait to hear how the M3 does. What's the setup on it? How did it do with whatever the old setup was?

BAD ASS TA WS6
06-02-2009, 03:45 PM
VF-Engineering kit, Vortech V3-SC trim. Blew the motor in 500 miles due to overboosting with shitty GIAC Californian software, in the New England cold weather.

Cracked ringlands on 2,3, and 4.

I've built him a much nastier setup :devil:

SNLPerformance
06-02-2009, 04:54 PM
Thanks for the post man, keep us updated as you progress!

SNLPerformance
06-02-2009, 04:56 PM
Damn, I'm impressed, them shits aren't light! How are the Monster clutches priced compared to the Specs?

BAD ASS TA WS6, you ever get your car dynoed? Did you get your buddy's M3 finished up? It looked like a cool project.

Monster is VERY competitively priced to other clutch companies. The main difference is the packages, we sell our stuff with flywheels and supporting pieces, we will never sell our pressure plates and discs without our matched flywheels due to the risks involved in doing so.

If you have anymore questions about our clutches give us a shout, we'll get you taken care of!

ScreaminRedZ
06-02-2009, 06:32 PM
Monster is [I]VERY[I] competitively priced to other clutch companies. The main difference is the packages, we sell our stuff with flywheels and supporting pieces, we will never sell our pressure plates and discs without our matched flywheels due to the risks involved in doing so.

If you have anymore questions about our clutches give us a shout, we'll get you taken care of!

Thanks! I'll be sending you a PM either tonight or tomorrow with some questions.

SNLPerformance
06-02-2009, 07:24 PM
Thanks! I'll be sending you a PM either tonight or tomorrow with some questions.

I look forward to it. :)

Speedy0009
06-03-2009, 12:08 AM
Good job man, yeah I'd say that spec clutch doesn't owe you much, you gave it hell.

Exactly.. it doesn't owe me a thing 22-23K miles +, tons of abuse from the Trans Am and running slicks on the GTO from day one... with Multiple 1.53-1.55 short times!

Plus I think it was at least 5 years old!! So I don't think it owes him anything! :jest: GL with the new clutch Speedy! I've heard really good things about them. :drive:

You know it.. the GTO turned 4 years this passed March and the Clutch was in the Trans Am for a good 2-3 years or so... a total of 5 years + in the two cars and an age of like 7 years.. Ha Ha!
So far the reviews on the Monster Clutches have been pretty damn good, I am looking forward to it! Hopefully it'll be just like people say, 10% stiffer clutch pedal and after the break-in the chatter goes away.... if it's both of those things and holds my power for a good while... I'll be a happy camper! Perhaps it'll get me into the 1.4x's with my 4000lb car!

Impressive work Todd! I'm sure a second set of hands putting the tranny back in would make your life a lot easier though!

We'll see.. I really like working alone for some reason and the T56 transmission is pretty easy to wrestle around... although I have used a tranny jack once and it was Sweet! I will though have to raise the car a few more inches to get under there with the transmission on my chest... LoL

Thanks for the post man, keep us updated as you progress!


No problem... I am going to add to the thread with the rest of the install. Don also ordered me one of your TICKshift remote speed bleeders for the ease of it all and I am also expecting a QuickTime SFI bellhousing which will get a thread of it's own since I haven't seen an install "guide"/write-up for the GTO yet which shall include the necessary modifications to make it fit!

Hope the parts arrive shortly and the rest of the install should be a cake walk!

JS
06-03-2009, 12:42 AM
I heard the monster stuff is more suited for road racing?

Speedy0009
06-03-2009, 12:52 AM
I heard the monster stuff is more suited for road racing?


I hope not... I have read it has good drag characteristics...

Getting the steel flywheel so it keeps the rotational mass up for the launches just like my Spec... As long as the disc holds and the PP clamps enough, I should be good to go!

SNLPerformance
06-03-2009, 01:09 PM
I heard the monster stuff is more suited for road racing?

Not at all... we offer lightweight stuff for the road race guys, but, our main clientele is drag racing customers.

I hope not... I have read it has good drag characteristics...

Getting the steel flywheel so it keeps the rotational mass up for the launches just like my Spec... As long as the disc holds and the PP clamps enough, I should be good to go!

You're on the right track!

badpewter-z
06-03-2009, 09:13 PM
not to bad speedy!! you definetly got your moneys worth outta that spec and now you can enjoy the new monster when it goes in :) they actully drive a tad better than the specs too. then after break in give it hell!!!!!!!

Speedy0009
06-03-2009, 09:40 PM
As scheduled the parts were at Don's shop today... I awoke from my sleep and got the email so I headed to the shop to pick everything up.

Monster Stg. 3 clutch.. Green of course:

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QuickTime Bellhousing:

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Had to grind a little bit to make the bellhousing and block plate fit.. not a huge deal got that done today:

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If the weather holds tomorrow I should have it all buttoned up... I'll of course post pictures of the new parts all in the car with the remote bleeder!

sciff5
06-03-2009, 10:34 PM
Looks like the grinding wasnt a big deal. Like anthony said


Looking forward to getting a ride in that thing man. I've never been in a procharged car.

Speedy0009
06-03-2009, 10:39 PM
Josh- Once the clutch is broken in and we get together we'll go for a blast in the GTO!

Here's a link to a full write-up for the Bellhousing install for any GTO guys that may be interested. I imagine the install would be similar on the F-body as well... but who knows!

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-gto-2004-2006/1127838-quicktime-bellhousing-scatter-shield-install-w-pics.html

JS
06-04-2009, 12:08 AM
I thought the greens were made by tilton?
Guess I was wrong?

Good luck with the clutch speedy :)

Speedy0009
06-04-2009, 12:15 AM
I thought the greens were made by tilton?
Guess I was wrong?

Good luck with the clutch speedy :)


Thanks JS...


No idea about a Tilton clutch...

SNLPerformance
06-04-2009, 01:20 PM
I thought the greens were made by tilton?
Guess I was wrong?

Good luck with the clutch speedy :)

Not at all... where did you get this info/idea?:confused:

Speedy0009
06-04-2009, 10:21 PM
Here's the rest of the install with Pics:

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I ended up having to take off the shifter to get the transmission back in without getting hung up on the Driveshaft safety loop or tunnel. I wrestled with it for a while and without a transmission jack I couldn't find the perfect angle to get it back in. It's all said and done for today. Tomorrow I will put the shifter and the exhaust back on, then bleed the clutch one last time before lowering it off the jack stands.

Krazy98Z28
06-04-2009, 10:26 PM
nice job buddy!

NJNETSFAN
06-04-2009, 10:27 PM
nice. So are you saying you were able to drop the trans in under 2.5hrs? My stage 3 should be here on Saturday and I plan on trying to get the install done in one day on my own. Did you use a trans jack?

Speedy0009
06-04-2009, 11:15 PM
nice job buddy!

Thanks Marco... we'll have to sync up our watches for a date to pull your motor now!!

nice. So are you saying you were able to drop the trans in under 2.5hrs? My stage 3 should be here on Saturday and I plan on trying to get the install done in one day on my own. Did you use a trans jack?

You got it, just under 2.5 hours to jack the car up, pull the cat-back, unbolt the loop from my DS safety loop, take out the driveshaft, drop the transmission, pull the bellhousing, clutch, flywheel and put my tools away.
Putting it all back in was a differnent story. Clutch assembly and new Bellhousing/scatter shield was easy, getting the tranny back in took me some extra time.... I hate Not having a transmission jack!

Good luck on your install!

JS
06-05-2009, 12:21 AM
I heard a conversation about tilton and monster being together...
I knew it was bogus,live and learn

02SCVette
06-05-2009, 07:05 AM
Impressive job Todd! Ever think of picking up a tranny jack head piece to fit on your jack? I think they're only around $50 and would certainly help out if there's a next time.

DannoWS6
06-05-2009, 07:07 AM
Good job, let us know how she drives.

Krazy98Z28
06-05-2009, 07:08 AM
Yeah the sell the tranny jack attachments at habor freight in Fall River.

DannoWS6
06-05-2009, 07:23 AM
I'll be needing one in the not so distant future
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39152

Speedy0009
06-05-2009, 09:35 AM
Impressive job Todd! Ever think of picking up a tranny jack head piece to fit on your jack? I think they're only around $50 and would certainly help out if there's a next time.


Thanks Mike.

I have looked into them but just haven't bought one yet. I keep telling myself to hold off and just buy a full sized one for when I have a house with a big garage and a lift.... whenever that will be. LoL

I got the rest of it buttoned up this morning. New silicone on the shifter base, shifter reinstalled, my custom threaded lever refinished and painted, cat-back reinstalled and flanges siliconed as well to prevent a terrible exhaust leak I had, clutch bled again (tickshift speed bleeder worked great, crack it open, top off resevoir, pump a couple times, close the speed valve and top off the resevoir again) then I took the car down off the jack stand and just shifted the transmission a few times... Fresh Amsoil.....oohh so smooth!

Waiting till this evening to take it for a drive so the silicone can set up a bit... I will post a review once I get a few miles on the clutch!

BAD ASS TA WS6
06-05-2009, 09:47 AM
Nicely done, definately a sense of accomplishment after all that work. I can't work on these cars on my back, I'd go insane!

I don't know how some of you guys do it!

Speedy0009
06-05-2009, 04:37 PM
Nicely done, definately a sense of accomplishment after all that work. I can't work on these cars on my back, I'd go insane!

I don't know how some of you guys do it!

Thanks.

That's for sure. I love the feeling when the car fires back up and I can go for a ride after a few hours of tinkering around with it! Working under the car on your back isn't always too bad as long as you have the tools to make things easier, but a lift is definitely the way to go.... Someday!

ScreaminRedZ
06-05-2009, 04:55 PM
Awesome job, dude! Let us know how it drives!

Speedy0009
06-05-2009, 07:17 PM
Thanks fellas.

Just returned from a 30 mile drive with the Monster Stage 3 and all I can say is holy low pedal... LoL I am certainly not used to the pedal grabbing so low but I will be used to it in no time.

So far almost no chatter, I felt it once or twice but very slight compared to my last clutch.
Pedal stiffness is not what I was expecting at all.... they say it's 7-10% stiffer than stock... I don't know about that, I think it feels like a stock clutch!!:D
Right now it's not a huge fan of reverse.... it's pretty grabby and with the GTO drivetrain slop it likes to buck, but with a little more slip it's fine.
Overall the clutch is pretty grabby/on-off right now because I am not trying to slip it a lot but it feels as though you can slip it like a mad-man for a perfect street tire launch.... but I won't be doing any of that street tire racing once it's broken in.... Full slicks or ET Streets for me!! Cannot wait to get back to the track now, shifts should even be faster!!

Thanks SlowHawk for getting me the parts so quick and Thanks Monster Clutch as well...

ScreaminRedZ
06-06-2009, 08:07 AM
Sounds good! I'm not a fan of low pedals, but I'm more concerned with the clutch holding up to the launches :devil:

NJNETSFAN
06-06-2009, 09:36 AM
very nice. I just dropped the trans in my camaro last night. Now I'm waiting for fed ex to delivery the goods today so I can start the install.

SNLPerformance
06-06-2009, 10:27 AM
Thanks fellas.

Just returned from a 30 mile drive with the Monster Stage 3 and all I can say is holy low pedal... LoL I am certainly not used to the pedal grabbing so low but I will be used to it in no time.

So far almost no chatter, I felt it once or twice but very slight compared to my last clutch.
Pedal stiffness is not what I was expecting at all.... they say it's 7-10% stiffer than stock... I don't know about that, I think it feels like a stock clutch!!:D
Right now it's not a huge fan of reverse.... it's pretty grabby and with the GTO drivetrain slop it likes to buck, but with a little more slip it's fine.
Overall the clutch is pretty grabby/on-off right now because I am not trying to slip it a lot but it feels as though you can slip it like a mad-man for a perfect street tire launch.... but I won't be doing any of that street tire racing once it's broken in.... Full slicks or ET Streets for me!! Cannot wait to get back to the track now, shifts should even be faster!!

Thanks SlowHawk for getting me the parts so quick and Thanks Monster Clutch as well...

Sound like you have some air in the lines as our pedals engage at the factory location, keep us posted as you drive the car, if the pedal starts to engage higher it is a sign that there was some air.

Keep us posted!

ScreaminRedZ
06-06-2009, 04:40 PM
our pedals engage at the factory location

Definitely good to know!

NJNETSFAN
06-06-2009, 09:04 PM
I went green today too: http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs098.snc1/4738_1103362755523_1570365346_30250124_2715417_n.j pg