Western Members - Raiders vs. Refs

Why is it that it seems the Raiders are not only playing their opponent, but are playing against the refs as well?

Just recent memory: "In the tuck", "Forward lateral", "Falling down and fumbling after you hit the ground" (tonight's rip-off).

You don't have to be a fan of the Raiders, but you have to recognize the fact BIG calls go against them.

Almost like new rules are invented as they play, and those new rules happen to be against them.

karma is a bitch,
just kidding but they are getting the worst end of it.

I peronally hate them, but I did manage to catch the game and it was bad indeed.

that was a bs call

however i thought the chargers should have gotten a fumble call on the 3rd and 15 play where that reciver got hammered with that hit with like 2:15 left on the clock but the refs said he never has posession.

The point I am making is that it seems new rules are made to the detriment of the Raiders.

Tuck rule: versus Pats, completely fictitious, would have resulted in a win and Super Bowl berth.
Forward lateral: Chargers player jumps up, untouched, drops the ball in celebration, guaranteed Raiders victory, Raiders recover, called a forward lateral.
Falling down continuation etc. BS: lets see where this ends up, result would have been a tied game in regulation.

It's not just the refs who hate the Raiders. It's not just the NFL that hates the Raiders. It's not just me who hates the Raiders. Everyone hates the Raiders and I'm happy to be a part of it.

POS team.

It's not just the refs who hate the Raiders. It's not just the NFL that hates the Raiders. It's not just me who hates the Raiders. Everyone hates the Raiders and I'm happy to be a part of it.

POS team.


Hold on bud. Everyone can say what they want. Everyone has their opinion. I hate the Chargers but they did win. But everyone on the radio is saying how bad they played. My team got the the short end of the stick today but you can not deny the fact that the RAIDERS physically dominated the Chargers today. That defensive front line completely dominated that Charger front. The rest of the defense played fairly well. The RAIDERS took out players today. LT, high ankle sprain. Completely ineffective today. Not bad for a POS team:D

As far as the call, I really can not see how it was NOT a touchdown. Oh well, we will see what happens in the coming weeks. However if the Chargers continue to play like this good luck making the playoffs. GO RAIDERS!!!

Hold on bud. Everyone can say what they want. Everyone has their opinion. I hate the Chargers but they did win. But everyone on the radio is saying how bad they played. My team got the the short end of the stick today but you can not deny the fact that the RAIDERS physically dominated the Chargers today. That defensive front line completely dominated that Charger front. The rest of the defense played fairly well. The RAIDERS took out players today. LT, high ankle sprain. Completely ineffective today. Not bad for a POS team:D

As far as the call, I really can not see how it was NOT a touchdown. Oh well, we will see what happens in the coming weeks. However if the Chargers continue to play like this good luck making the playoffs. GO RAIDERS!!!

You are totally correct the Chargers did play like ass.. As usual. The are proven to be a second half team. As far as the injuries yeah LT was the work horse of the team for years..... Now he just keeps getting hurt but they still win without him. The raiders did look good on defense that is about it. OF course the chargers were a little banged up though. Just wait til we play you in SD with a healty O-Line. But hey good job on the raiders though. I will give them that.

you have to realize, every team gets good calls, and every team gets bad calls. it all evens outs eventually.

It's not just the refs who hate the Raiders. It's not just the NFL that hates the Raiders. It's not just me who hates the Raiders. Everyone hates the Raiders and I'm happy to be a part of it.

POS team.

That's a dipshit comment deserving of another.



Thanks to everyone else who had at least something intellectual to add.

Every team has had bad calls against them. It sucks but it happens. If they were a better team they would win. I didn't see this alleged fumble. The only one I saw was that pass that he came down with and the ball hit the ground when he landed. So I'm sure you are reffering to something else. But from what I watched as bad as San Diego played the raiders should have won easily.

The raiders suck and complaining about the refs won't make the team any better.

i personally think that was a TD. but then again when he did come down, the ball did come out. thats almost somewhat like a diving catch and the ball hits the ground. i think the raiders looked good, but then again it was maybe cuz the chargers were playing bad. but richard seymour played very well for the raiders.. id say oaktown and frisco are definitely sleeper teams.

^:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao ::rotflmao::funny:

^:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao ::rotflmao::funny: Laughing at his sig or saying oakland is a sleeper. I'm laughing at both lol:chug:

Maybe he meant Oakland was sleeping :D

First i would like to say that i really hate the raiders. :engarde: I am a chargers fan. i have been to the chargers raiders games in SD for about the last 5 years. With that being said, i do not think it was a TD. it doesnt matter if he has to feet down, he still has to fall with possession. I believe the ball came out of his arms just enough for him not to have control.

but i do agree that you guys got screwed in the playoffs against the pats a few years ago. i also wanna say that russel is a pretty horrible quarterback. Unless someone is completely wide open, he cant make the throw. But mcfadden did look REALLY good. He was running all over us. But i really enjoyed the game last night because all the raider fans had their hopes up, and then they had their hopes crushed. ha...and i do know we didnt play good by any means. Although i wouldnt go as far as saying oakland is a sleeper team, i think they are definitely improving, and would be a decent team with a different QB.

Yeah, Russell's strength is in long passes, 1-on-1 coverage. Short passes, he can't hit a Suburban. So unless the coaches incorporate more of that, the running game will have to make up for it.

The point I am getting at with the calls is they seem to be new rules or rules that aren't very well thought out. For example, "in the tuck" ended up being a rule that after that game, was changed. The rule enforced in Monday's game, is new. I bet at some point it will get changed because once a person has two feet in the end zone, with full control of the ball, at what point is the play dead? Shit, not even the Chargers contested the play.

What's next? If a running back dives into the end zone, crosses the plane in possession, lands on the ground, ball bounces out, it's now a fumble?

Yeah, Russell's strength is in long passes, 1-on-1 coverage. Short passes, he can't hit a Suburban. So unless the coaches incorporate more of that, the running game will have to make up for it.

The point I am getting at with the calls is they seem to be new rules or rules that aren't very well thought out. For example, "in the tuck" ended up being a rule that after that game, was changed. The rule enforced in Monday's game, is new. I bet at some point it will get changed because once a person has two feet in the end zone, with full control of the ball, at what point is the play dead? Shit, not even the Chargers contested the play.

What's next? If a running back dives into the end zone, crosses the plane in possession, lands on the ground, ball bounces out, it's now a fumble?


I totally understand man. But it is all "old" rules that have been there. Also, you have to think that it was monday night season opener. They have to make themselves look good. Ref's are in the spotlight for cheating for other teams to throw games. If you did notice there were lots of calls on both teams. I admit I am a raider hater. But the defense did infact look pretty good. And all of us know that the chargers did play like crap. They are ususally better than that. Point and case raiders should have won but they couldnt get it together.

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Alright, reviving this because of what I saw yesterday...

On the last drive, the Texans had the ball and the QB was sacked for a loss. Upon video review (!), a penalty was called on the Raiders for too many men on the field. Although it did not hurt them too badly (was 2nd and 23 versus 1st and 25), and by rule it had to be declined because of the penalty on the Texans, it is the first time I saw a penalty called on a video review.

Its because of a lot of Raider fans andthe "Raider" image, I grew up a Niners fan and will be forever but Raiders fans (those that do this not all but the numbers are up there) tend to be extremely routy and not very good with sportsnanship, then again that is alot like steeler fans.

I think they are trying to break the negative image, just sadly they may see a lot more crappy calls to try to break it.

I am sure visiting fans are not afraid to go to Heinz Field in Pittsburgh, I hear a hell of a lot of people won't go to Oakland & root for another team

every team HATES the raiders and considers them a top rival, especailly in our division.. BUT this is what fuels the team aswell. They know they are hated by the opponent team/Fan and they take PRIDE for it... As far as the refs, well thats just screwed up haha

Go Broncos!!!

I am sure visiting fans are not afraid to go to Heinz Field in Pittsburgh, I hear a hell of a lot of people won't go to Oakland & root for another team

Yeah i do remember a lot of people who would not cross the bay and see a raider game and root for the niners.

I remember in high school one of my friends had a stupid clean 90 5.0 GT with real 93 cobra R rims he paid $2500 for the rims alone, he drove to Oakland to pick up something from a shop and when he came out an hour later his rims were gone and the car was on cinder blocks, no joke, we had to drive up with a couple sets of spares and get his car back to Santa Clara.

Yeah i do remember a lot of people who would not cross the bay and see a raider game and root for the niners.

I remember in high school one of my friends had a stupid clean 90 5.0 GT with real 93 cobra R rims he paid $2500 for the rims alone, he drove to Oakland to pick up something from a shop and when he came out an hour later his rims were gone and the car was on cinder blocks, no joke, we had to drive up with a couple sets of spares and get his car back to Santa Clara.

I am not saying all Raider fans are trashy ghetto people who are just looking for a fight, but growing up in the south bay area a lot of people I knew who were Raider fans did not take losing lightly and were very confrontational about it. Plus the stories of people getting jumped or beat down for wearing a niners jersey in Oakland.

+1 on that ...

And to tell you the truth, alot of the people here like the raiders for what it represents wearing a jersey with dark skin.. it can be translated gang affiliated right away, same goes with 49ner jerseys and Dallas...