bufmatmuslepants

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Might have an opportunity to get one of these cams used. Ive read alot about the cc306, not much on the 219/219 except that it is better for heads with alot of exhaust flow. They would be used with the ported heads I have currently for sale in the classifieds here which are pretty damn ported. I am currently at 12.53 at 110.33 with 1.84 60', any predictions on these cams? I know the 306 will want to spin at least to 6400. Car is purely a toy, never daily driven, pretty much just the 30 minute highway drive to the track.

ABA383

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The Lingenfelter 219/219 cam was designed specifically and tested by John Lingenfelter to work with the Accel SuperRam intake and produced a ton of torque over the 211/219 which was matched with a ported stock intake and 58mm TB...I think it reportedly made 60 lb/ft of torque more than the latter combo and a hair more horsepower. Having said that I don't know if it would work to its intended potential with the LT1 intake. John Lingenfelter would've used it with the stock intake if it worked better than the 211/219. If you have to use either I'd look at the 306, based on you probably sticking with the stock intake. Several members here have been successful with its "old" technology.

Now if you happen to trip over an F-body specific Accel SuperRam intake then grab the 219/219. I'd suspect, however, that the SuperRam would cost more than the car its going into...

--Alan

96capricemgr

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Neither, based on the above reasons.
A single pattern cam is almost always going to be wrong for a 23degree NA small block Chevy.

The 306 is nothing special. I can see no reason whatsoever for it's enduring popularity other than that it is at the bottom of the cam page so it must be the best.

hitmanws6

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If its just a toy go bigger. Im a fan of the GM 847 on stock heads if track times are all you care about. The 306 seems to be a great cam if you are spraying, other than that its not worth much else. A lot of guys are seeing success running the Comp XE 230/236, and the AI/LE 226/234 cams. Im happy with my 228/236 but would have gone with something in the 23x/24x duration if I didnt DD it.

robsquikz28

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306 and spray lol

SS RRR

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Those cams will have a night and day difference. Your gear selection will need to be taken into consideration as well. If you are going to limit your cam selection to those two and it's a hammer car then by all means go with the 306. You'll have a better chance of making far more power than with the 219/219, and yes, the 306 can perform well either N/A or with N20.

bufmatmuslepants

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I know both of these are very old technology cams, but if I got one for the right price Id throw it in just to see what it could do, I guess the 306 could be in my future based on what you guys have said about the 219.

quik95lt1

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if you have a deal on one of those two id go with the cc306 IMO........but honestly if you want the bang for your buck run the AI 226 cam it will make the best power for a stock longblock car....

bowtienut

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Back to your original question, considering just those two cams, I'm going against the grain and saying to go with the Lingenfelter cam.
My main reason is, looking at your current numbers, you can't afford to sacrifice any low rpm power, which the 306 certainly would. The 219/219 cam, IMO, can be a step in the right direction from the 211/219, even with the LT1 manifold, as long as the rest of the package supports it (gearing, etc.). Keep in mind that Lingenfelter certified these setups as 50-state emissions legal, so unless you're very concerned about that, the 219 vs 211 intake duration will only result in more peak power with the powerband shifted slightly upward.

bufmatmuslepants

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Ill assume that 50 state legal means less tuning is required and that it will peak lower in rpm. What I keep seeing on here is it seems that the 306 isnt much better on the track than the hotcam, and the amount of tuning needed, loss of driveability, and need to spin it 500rpm higher than where I am now does make me wonder if it is worth the trouble.

robsquikz28

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PROVEN fact right here, time and time again

bufmatmuslepants

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These are the heads I would use if they dont get sold soon, I think they are ported enough to feed a big cam.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/parts-cla...ed-intake.html

robsquikz28

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I wouldnt trust those as far as I can spit, they are a hack job and thats why he is selling them on here. He came up with a thread on how he bought them and was very happy with them..>but we all told him they were junk and needed to be discarded...I told you I had a set of Le1 heads that were more than those but would make more power than those would ever looking like that botch job it is....save your $$$$ and you will find some real nice ported heads

LSWHO

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I thought the 219/219 was designed for the L98 not the LT1. Single pattern cams need very high flowing exhaust in our cars in order to make up for the extra intake duration.

The L98 had a long runner intake and therefore could make better use of such a cam... just like using it with the superram on an LT1.

Or am I totally off-base?

dphc18

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I've got some LPE heads for sale! Check the midwestern classifieds

draggin97s10

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your on home plate!

bufmatmuslepants

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Those arent the same heads that someone posted a couple days ago saying "my new mystery heads", these Ive had sitting in my garage for a year and a half, Im the one trying to sell them.

Pampered-Z

I ran the 211/219 with my GTP stage 2 heads, Mac shorties and 52Mm TB and Ed wright tune. The cam made a ton of torque but HP peaked low, I assume because the duration was low. The good was that the cam was fun on the street and I could jump all over LS1 cars and on the sniffer it was cleaner then stock, but really couldn't wind the engine up so it wasn't the best for the strip. If you're looking for top end power I would go bigger.

Birdie2000

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Pampered-Z, do you have any track times from that setup?

bowtienut

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Dont pay attention to the misguided notion that a split pattern cam is the be all and end all for SBC's! That 219/219 will work great and will improve upon the "HP peaking low" observation that Pampered-Z mentioned.
Sure, a 219/225 would be even better, but the original question was about 2 specific cams.