Manual Transmission - manual t56 guys what rpms you shifting?




ajw2500hd
02-27-2011, 09:49 PM
for you manual transmission guys what rpms are you shifting at?

7000+ rpm guys what if any upgrades did you have todo to handle the 7000+ rpm shifts? thanks


Zturd
02-28-2011, 07:47 AM
I shifted my 98 camaro stock trans at 6800rpm on the 100shot she loved it!
WS6transam01 has a stock trans shifts at 7200rpm+
Jeremy with stock trans 01 T/A shifts his around 6900rpm+

Theres a bunch of guys shifting over 7000rpms ya tard!

Why do you ask sunshine?

ajw2500hd
03-01-2011, 07:02 AM
i was told you can't shift a t56 even built pass 6400 rpms! that it would eat the sync. and gears up!


Zturd
03-01-2011, 07:53 AM
i was told you can't shift a t56 even built pass 6400 rpms! that it would eat the sync. and gears up!


Are you retarded? Did your parents do drugs before you were born? Thats a load of dooo dooo!!!

ajw2500hd
03-01-2011, 07:57 AM
lmao i was just making sure i was not the ratard!!!! they only thing that i can shift at the high rpms is my truck lol

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-01-2011, 08:23 AM
Shifting a T56 past 6500rpm IS hard on them. It won't be instant failure but you will wear your blocking rings and engaugement teeth faster. If you are shifting that high you HAVE to make sure your clutch is disengauging perfectly and your pilot bearing is in good working order. The lighter the clutch disk the faster and easier it will shift at high RPM as well. WS6transam01 is now running a faceplated transmission. I am not sure if he wore out his stock trans or if he just wanted some more consistancy. Faceplating is the only way to go IMO for a dedicated drag race application. I absolutly love mine and I will never go back to a synchronized transmission.

So no, you aren't retarded at all. But there is *some* truth to what you were bring told.

Zturd
03-02-2011, 07:28 AM
Great info Jeremy.... Yes WS6transam01 went with the face plated trans in hopes to gain some ET/MPH in the chase for a 346ci 6spd in the 9's. I'm not sure if the wifey has him wrapped up like a pig in the blanket or what lately :(

Does RPM make upgrades for the T56 fbody transmission to give more longevity with sustained high ~7000rpm+shifting besides going face plated? AJw2500HD street drives his car more than anything. She's just a little Heads/Cam/Intake LS7 in there. Main purpose is driving and then going for 9's NA with it being shifted is the other side of the usage range.

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-02-2011, 07:39 AM
Great info Jeremy.... Yes WS6transam01 went with the face plated trans in hopes to gain some ET/MPH in the chase for a 346ci 6spd in the 9's. I'm not sure if the wifey has him wrapped up like a pig in the blanket or what lately :(

Does RPM make upgrades for the T56 fbody transmission to give more longevity with sustained high ~7000rpm+shifting besides going face plated? AJw2500HD street drives his car more than anything. She's just a little Heads/Cam/Intake LS7 in there. Main purpose is driving and then going for 9's NA with it being shifted is the other side of the usage range.

I hope WS6transam01 gets back out to the track soon. I've always been a fan of his car. I'd love to see it go 9s with 346ci NA.

We upgrade the blocking rings to compressed carbon on all our units and micro polish all the internal parts on our Level 5s. That helps the high RPM shifting significantly, but with any synchronized transmission at that high RPM it is making the blocking rings do a LOT of work to change the speed of the clutch disk, input shaft, cluster gear and the next gear you are shifting into. If you are going to do a lot of high RPM shifting and don't want to go to a faceplated unit. I would recommend having a tripple cone M6 built. We have done quite a few. I would really like someone to pull the trigger on our Super T56. It uses all C6 Z06 tripple cone internals with a 1 piece cluster gear and a 32 spline SSR mainshaft. I nick named it the Super T56 as a throw back to the old Super T-10.

Summerwolf
03-02-2011, 07:50 AM
I have 110K on a stock T56 with shifts at 6900..... It still shifts smooth at WOT, cold and sometimes without any throttle she grinds into 2nd and 3rd. I have beat the ish out of this car though.

ajw2500hd
03-02-2011, 08:08 AM
I hope WS6transam01 gets back out to the track soon. I've always been a fan of his car. I'd love to see it go 9s with 346ci NA.

We upgrade the blocking rings to compressed carbon on all our units and micro polish all the internal parts on our Level 5s. That helps the high RPM shifting significantly, but with any synchronized transmission at that high RPM it is making the blocking rings do a LOT of work to change the speed of the clutch disk, input shaft, cluster gear and the next gear you are shifting into. If you are going to do a lot of high RPM shifting and don't want to go to a faceplated unit. I would recommend having a tripple cone M6 built. We have done quite a few. I would really like someone to pull the trigger on our Super T56. It uses all C6 Z06 tripple cone internals with a 1 piece cluster gear and a 32 spline SSR mainshaft. I nick named it the Super T56 as a throw back to the old Super T-10.
whats something like that run(super t56 or tripple cone m6)? motor was built for spray and never added it YET! and i want to shift the piss out of it cause auto is just to boring!! thanks aj

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-02-2011, 08:41 AM
whats something like that run(super t56 or tripple cone m6)? motor was built for spray and never added it YET! and i want to shift the piss out of it cause auto is just to boring!! thanks aj

A tripple cone M6 would come in around $2895 and a Super T56 would be $3495. Both of those prices reflect the different in the price of the f-body core that woule be returned. The tripple cone parts are a good bit more expensive than single cone. I agree 100% about autos being boring. I will bang gears forever even if they say manuals are a little slower than autos. :drive:

ajw2500hd
03-02-2011, 09:07 AM
i guess thats cheaper then a auto lol!! not to bad! so those prices are including the core from my trans? so you send me another trans and i send you my build trans that i just payed $2100 for lmao?

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-02-2011, 09:14 AM
i guess thats cheaper then a auto lol!! not to bad! so those prices are including the core from my trans? so you send me another trans and i send you my build trans that i just payed $2100 for lmao?

We don't charge a core up front. I would recommend selling your built trans and either paying our core fee or finding a stock trans to turn in as your core. I definitely don't want you to send us a good working built trans as a core.

ajw2500hd
03-02-2011, 09:32 AM
whats the core charge? thanks for your fast help too!

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-02-2011, 09:39 AM
whats the core charge? thanks for your fast help too!

Core on an f-body is $750. No problem man. That's what I'm here for.

ajw2500hd
03-02-2011, 12:54 PM
ok thanks for your help!!

Mike454SS
03-02-2011, 04:00 PM
I hope WS6transam01 gets back out to the track soon. I've always been a fan of his car. I'd love to see it go 9s with 346ci NA.

We upgrade the blocking rings to compressed carbon on all our units and micro polish all the internal parts on our Level 5s. That helps the high RPM shifting significantly, but with any synchronized transmission at that high RPM it is making the blocking rings do a LOT of work to change the speed of the clutch disk, input shaft, cluster gear and the next gear you are shifting into. If you are going to do a lot of high RPM shifting and don't want to go to a faceplated unit. I would recommend having a tripple cone M6 built. We have done quite a few. I would really like someone to pull the trigger on our Super T56. It uses all C6 Z06 tripple cone internals with a 1 piece cluster gear and a 32 spline SSR mainshaft. I nick named it the Super T56 as a throw back to the old Super T-10.

There's a few of those running around now ;) http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/manual-transmission/1237416-ssr-fbody-t56-hybrid-project-1000hp-stock-parts.html

I'm assembling mine soon.

Asian LSX
03-02-2011, 05:05 PM
I always shift at 6500 when racing but it feels like the car can spin higher but I've never tried it. 3.73s really feel lazy until abput 3000-3500.

I really want 4.56s but I'm not sure how high I can rev with my mods. Patriot stage 2 LS6 heads w the double springs and a 230/234 .612/.598 cam is my H/C set up right now.

ajw2500hd
03-02-2011, 08:01 PM
wonder if those trans suck more power away?

Nsty98LS1
03-02-2011, 08:17 PM
last time at the track i was shifting at 7100 without an issue. as soon as the budget allows me, i think i'm going faceplated though

Nsty98LS1
03-02-2011, 08:18 PM
Jeremy, how much is a faceplated gearset for a T56?

ajw2500hd
03-03-2011, 07:03 AM
see i have a 98 camaro with a head/cam ls7 with manual and at this time i ran a 10.3@135 with a 1.43 60ft and i have alot of suspension adjusting todo but i really want to shift into the 9s with a all motor!!!! so i need a trans that can take the beating, but i dont think i would ever run a faceplated trans cause i drive it on the street alot!

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-members/1388016-aj2500hd-mir-video-mir-up-dilhole.html ----- the link for vids of my racing

85MikeTPI
03-03-2011, 07:39 AM
The faceplated trans will help you the most at the track, but if you are against it, the triple/double synchro units like the RPM Super T56 will be the best street/strip trans. They can reliably shift out to 8000rpms and can handle power transfer between shift better than a standard F-body single/double cone synchro unit.

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-03-2011, 07:49 AM
Jeremy, how much is a faceplated gearset for a T56?

Shot you a PM.

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-03-2011, 08:00 AM
see i have a 98 camaro with a head/cam ls7 with manual and at this time i ran a 10.3@135 with a 1.43 60ft and i have alot of suspension adjusting todo but i really want to shift into the 9s with a all motor!!!! so i need a trans that can take the beating, but i dont think i would ever run a faceplated trans cause i drive it on the street alot!

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-members/1388016-aj2500hd-mir-video-mir-up-dilhole.html ----- the link for vids of my racing

Very nice runs! To be honest, faceplating on the street isn't *that* bad. You have to rev match the down shifts and shift it really fast to avoid clashing but other than that it is great. You will never shift a smoother shifting T56 than a micro polished faceplated T56 with bronze fork pads.

One thing you really need with a faceplated transmission is a shifter with a good strong spring in it. One of the things about faceplating you have to be careful with is if you are WOT in 2nd gear and go to bang 3rd and accidently go to 1st, it's going into 1st gear no matter what. That can make for a VERY bad day. But if you are a good at bangin the gears and have a good strong spring in your shifter to center it back to the 3/4 location you won't have any problems.

Mike454SS
03-04-2011, 10:10 AM
wonder if those trans suck more power away?

I don't really think it would. When you run C6 ZO6 T56 gear ratios, they're the same ratio's as 94-2002 F-Bodies, so the amount of gear contact is the same. The main shaft diameters are only different in the back end of the trans, they're really similar before the splines that form the output section of it.

I'd say parasitic loss from a 94-2002 F-Body T56 versus a C6 ZO6 T56 conversion would be exactly the same, and adding a 32 spline SSR main shaft should still be exactly the same. The synchro's shouldn't have any effect on that at all.

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-04-2011, 11:06 AM
^ Exactly. One of the benefits of the C6 Z06 gear set is the 1 piece cluster. It eliminates the lugs that fail somewhat frequently in cars that 5th and 6th gear are abused.

ajw2500hd
03-04-2011, 12:52 PM
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-classifieds/1393420-built-t56-less-then-1000-miles.html#post14589541

get someone to guy this so i can order that shit lol!!

ajw2500hd
03-07-2011, 09:17 AM
bump!!!

v8pwr
03-07-2011, 11:49 AM
I started a similar thread about this a couple of weeks ago and would like to know what clutches can handle 750+ while facilitating quick shifts. I already have a freshly rebuilt T56, although the SSR upgrade would be awesome. I plan on running the Tick MC but I don't know what clutch to buy.

ajw2500hd
03-09-2011, 08:08 AM
i ordered my new badass t56 trans from jeremy @ RPM TRANSMISSIONS
today, great company and easy to deal with highly recommended!!!!!!
thanks jeremy for your help

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-09-2011, 08:13 AM
i ordered my new badass t56 trans from jeremy @ RPM TRANSMISSIONS
today, great company and easy to deal with highly recommended!!!!!!
thanks jeremy for your help

No problem AJ. Thank you for your order. I've already ordered your 9310 mainshaft and getting a C6 Z06 core apart for your gearset to be micro polished. I can't wait for you to get it in the car. Its gonna be bad ass for sure!!

ajw2500hd
03-09-2011, 10:00 AM
No problem AJ. Thank you for your order. I've already ordered your 9310 mainshaft and getting a C6 Z06 core apart for your gearset to be micro polished. I can't wait for you to get it in the car. Its gonna be bad ass for sure!!

hey whats the best trans fluid to run in that trans?

Jeremy@RPMTransmissions
03-09-2011, 10:12 AM
hey whats the best trans fluid to run in that trans?

Royal Purple Synchromax is what we recommend for big power cars like yours.

SWeiser31
03-09-2011, 07:57 PM
One thing you really need with a faceplated transmission is a shifter with a good strong spring in it. One of the things about faceplating you have to be careful with is if you are WOT in 2nd gear and go to bang 3rd and accidently go to 1st, it's going into 1st gear no matter what. That can make for a VERY bad day. But if you are a good at bangin the gears and have a good strong spring in your shifter to center it back to the 3/4 location you won't have any problems.

This is a fact!! Do you have a particular shifter you like? I've had good luck with the MGW, but I put it back in 1st a few times when I was still getting used to bangin gears.

BES Stroked Nova
03-14-2011, 05:12 AM
I got A LOT of passes on my old stage 4 Six speed inc build, and for the last 2 years straight I have shifted it 7500 during my UMTR races, and have shifted as high as 7800 looking for my quickest pass.

The best things I did for high rpm shifts was, Centerforce clutch, amsoil trans fluid, tick master.

I also got a faceplated trans sitting waiting on my new race car to get done, so I will see how this faceplated stuff works, also got a Mcloud Sof Loc to go with it.

so good luck with your new setup!