how bad is it to drive your car hard?
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how bad is it to drive your car hard?
i'm just wondering i've hit the rev limiter a few times (~10) either in neutral or actually in a gear (depends on how well i shifted, haha), and i've grinded a couple of gears here and there. i know the grinding is positively bad for the car, but don't really know how bad the rev limiter hitting is on the car. i would assume gm put it there for a reason, but the consistent high rpm shifting probably isn't good for the motor (regardless of hitting the rev limiter), right? any thoughts?
moreso, i've always had the theory that everytime i lay on my car, i lose horsepower, and especially so if i hit the limiter, grind a gear, or something along those lines. for some reason, doing these things puts a big "BAD" immediately into my mind, and surely the engine has suffered at least a horsepower for this (only in my head). it's kind of silly, but probably the only bit of me that sparked this question of "how bad on your car is it to drive it hard?"
moreso, i've always had the theory that everytime i lay on my car, i lose horsepower, and especially so if i hit the limiter, grind a gear, or something along those lines. for some reason, doing these things puts a big "BAD" immediately into my mind, and surely the engine has suffered at least a horsepower for this (only in my head). it's kind of silly, but probably the only bit of me that sparked this question of "how bad on your car is it to drive it hard?"
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Your car is a play toy, it will eventually have problems any way. Have fun and do your best to not miss your shifts. The rev limiter is designed for people like us so we won't destroy our engines. Just don't down shift too hard, the rev limiter won't help there. It's built to take a lot of abuse. You'll probably tear up the rear end before you even harm the motor. I did.
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i don't miss my shifts as often as it seems, but for this post, it was necessary for me to fess up to it.
the funny thing is that i don't drive my car really hard a lot at all. it's just that when i do, and something doesn't go perfectly, it bothers me.
thanks for the advice and the heads up
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I have read in more than one magazine (highperformance pontiac, popular mechanic) that the stock rocker arms do not handle the higher rpms very well and they both recommended swapping out.
Me, will wait til my warranty is up then do the comp cam thing and that will be a good time to install another TQ as well. I will also throw on a trans cooler.
But otherwise, I beat the **** out of my WS6 (within reason) and have had no problems in over a year and a half. (knock on wood). And I just had it at the dealership to have trans and engine checked.
Me, will wait til my warranty is up then do the comp cam thing and that will be a good time to install another TQ as well. I will also throw on a trans cooler.
But otherwise, I beat the **** out of my WS6 (within reason) and have had no problems in over a year and a half. (knock on wood). And I just had it at the dealership to have trans and engine checked.
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As long as you don't drive it hard when the engine is cold, it doesn't wear it out that much sooner believe it or not. My habit is to drive like the slowest granny on earth when my engine is cold, but once the oil is warmed up, I drive it hard. My last oil analysis showed extremely low engine wear.
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The cars are made to withstand some abuse. I know I've bounced off my rev limiter a few times doing donuts and have not had any problems. Although I think the rocker arm upgrade is an excellent idea. Its a car, parts are going to break or need to be replaced. Just drive it and enjoy it.
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You cant take it with you when you die,so Drive it like you stole it !!
Beat on anything long enough and somethings gonna give.
I drive the **** outta my SS on a daily basis and with 67K on the 01`s clock she`s seen the shop a few times since new
Entire front clip repainted(color didnt match,hood,nose,both fenders)
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Altenator X 3
A/C compressor X 2
Syncro`s X 5 (full 1-6 sets)
Clutch X 2(needs a new one now)
Drive shaft X 2 (original split@ the rear yolk after a 5k launch on street tires)
Rear End X 3 (cases included)
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F-1`s (smoke`em @ 7K miles)
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This was ALL done/repaired under my 36K Warrenty
Overall this has been the biggest piece of **** I`ve ever purchased from General Motors BUT !!........ I dont regret one day of it,the car is a blast to own,I`m just abit more reserved about what I do these days because it all comes outta my pocket now
Beat on anything long enough and somethings gonna give.
I drive the **** outta my SS on a daily basis and with 67K on the 01`s clock she`s seen the shop a few times since new
Entire front clip repainted(color didnt match,hood,nose,both fenders)
Chrome SS wheels all flaking chrome since new,SLP shipped 4 sets just to get 4 wheels that werent worse then what I had
Stereo Monsoon X 2 + 4 different speakers
Window motors X 3 driver side,X 5 passenger side
GM installed ring mod for oil consumption
Cracked piston
Altenator X 3
A/C compressor X 2
Syncro`s X 5 (full 1-6 sets)
Clutch X 2(needs a new one now)
Drive shaft X 2 (original split@ the rear yolk after a 5k launch on street tires)
Rear End X 3 (cases included)
5 Pinion Seals
Rotors X 4
Battery X 6 (Delco`s suck`***)
F-1`s (smoke`em @ 7K miles)
Nitto 555`s (hards as rock @ 8K miles,ran`em to 12K and bald)
This was ALL done/repaired under my 36K Warrenty
Overall this has been the biggest piece of **** I`ve ever purchased from General Motors BUT !!........ I dont regret one day of it,the car is a blast to own,I`m just abit more reserved about what I do these days because it all comes outta my pocket now
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Originally Posted by Patman
As long as you don't drive it hard when the engine is cold, it doesn't wear it out that much sooner believe it or not. My habit is to drive like the slowest granny on earth when my engine is cold, but once the oil is warmed up, I drive it hard. My last oil analysis showed extremely low engine wear.
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Don't worry bro, 160 is fine to floor it....Just use good judgement when you think your car is warmed up...sometimes you can hear it and even feel that the car is ready for you.... But I've red lined...let's see, I'll say over 200 times in over a year, but only hit the rev limiter maybe 10 times or less..I consider my shifting pretty good, but I do shift in the red zone to get the most out of my motor...I have 80,000 miles and my baby is still running hard...just take care of her...change her diaper every 2500-3000 miles and do all the neccessary things and she will grow up to be a beautiful women...with ATTITUDE..haha...
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Originally Posted by Patman
As long as you don't drive it hard when the engine is cold, it doesn't wear it out that much sooner believe it or not. My habit is to drive like the slowest granny on earth when my engine is cold, but once the oil is warmed up, I drive it hard. My last oil analysis showed extremely low engine wear.
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Originally Posted by Jorday
I am the same way with my stuff. I take it nice and easy until the engine is fully warmed up and then I run it hard.
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Originally Posted by ActionJack
I have read in more than one magazine (highperformance pontiac, popular mechanic) that the stock rocker arms do not handle the higher rpms very well and they both recommended swapping out.
Stock timing chain too, also no worries.
I don't have many miles on my motor, but it sees full throttle A LOT. When I drive it, I have fun with the car.
Stock internals hold up pretty well on cam or heads/cam cars so long as you change the oil regularly, use a high quality oil, let the motor FULLY warm (as Patman said) before beating it, and keep the rpms within reasonable limits. 6400-6500rpms will be fine for a long time so long as you're using upgraded valve springs.
I know quite a few guys that have 10s of thousands of miles on H/C motors shifting around 6500rpm with all other internals being stock except the cam/valves/springs.
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I have a stock 98 TA with just the FRA cutout with 50,000 on it and I have pushed it hard and race it almost every day at some point or another and have only had minor probs with the car. These engines are tough!!
water pump x1
pinion seal replacement x2
transmission housing seal x1
left headlight motor
A/C selector switch
hit flying wood on the freeway--whole front nose replaced and painted. I liked that one-that baby was nice and fresh again when i got it back ;-)
water pump x1
pinion seal replacement x2
transmission housing seal x1
left headlight motor
A/C selector switch
hit flying wood on the freeway--whole front nose replaced and painted. I liked that one-that baby was nice and fresh again when i got it back ;-)
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Originally Posted by Rogue Leader
I beat the ***** off my car daily... Thats why I bought it... Whats the point otherwise !