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Old 06-21-2012, 11:08 AM
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hi i was reading some quater mile times on the internet and i have noticed this: 1995 Pontiac Firebird Formula 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.9

1995 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 13.8

these exact stats are from the website 0-60 times. Why did they rate the formula 1.1 seconds slower than the trans am? isnt it the same car with diferent bumpers, spoiler and side skirts? Is the formula actually that much slower or is it fair to say a 95 formula should be just as fast as a 95 trans am.
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Same. Websites or very unreliable sources.
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Equally optioned (power windows, power locks, hard top/t-top, m6/a4) the Formula should be a tick faster...at least on paper. It not having the ground effects, heavier leather seats and bigger bumper/spoiler, it should weigh less. They are both the same car. The TA is just a more decked out version of the Formula.
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LMAO... contrary to popular belief, everything you read on the internet is not true! It's the EXACT same engine/transmission in a LIGHTER car due to no ground effects, fog lights, ect. Formulas are 70-80lbs lighter than a comparable TA....how that would make them slower is beyond me.
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Maybe an auto Formula fully loaded convertible with 2.73's would be that slow compared to a 6spd 3.42 TA hardtop.....that could be conceivable. Otherwise, NO.
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ok thanks lol cause i had an issue where someone thought they could smoke my 95 formula because the quater mile said 14.9 hahaha lol. I dusted him!
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Originally Posted by ahritchie
Maybe an auto Formula fully loaded convertible with 2.73's would be that slow compared to a 6spd 3.42 TA hardtop.....that could be conceivable. Otherwise, NO.
This^^^,
Also the suspension difference between the formula and WS6? T/A could have helped the T/A's launch.. But that's just a guess in addition to the diff gears..
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i have hotchkis suspension all around do you think that would make a difference?
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Originally Posted by 4thgenfan1995
i have hotchkis suspension all around do you think that would make a difference?
LOL...handling yes....acceleration no... other than maybe better traction on launch if you have boxed aftermarket control arms or torque arm.
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Originally Posted by defaultexistence
This^^^,
Also the suspension difference between the formula and WS6? T/A could have helped the T/A's launch.. But that's just a guess in addition to the diff gears..
No such thing as a 1995 WS6....not available until 96
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Originally Posted by ahritchie
No such thing as a 1995 WS6....not available until 96
This. Also, the auto Formulas/TAs had 3.23 rear gears. But yeah, I'm going with the Formula being a loaded auto convertible and the TA being a M6 hardtop on that site b/c my buddy had a LT1 M6 Z28 stock Hardtop and he ran about a 13.7 in the 1/4. I think that my race weight is about 3500 with me and my speakerbox in it. Tools bumps it to 3600.
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Ws6 was a suspension package available since the 3rd gens.

the difference in 1/4 mile is purely the difference in gear ratios available for the A4
2.73
3.23
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Easy

The formula just has the v8. The Trans am has the vette motor.

Ill go grab some popcorn
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^^^^^^ damn didn't think of that!!!^^^^^^ 4 bolt mains do the trick every time.....lol
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Trans Am just rule simple as that! Performance and styling...from plain jane firebird to formula to even the camaro, can't touch the Trans Am!
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Originally Posted by trilkb
Easy

The formula just has the v8. The Trans am has the vette motor.

Ill go grab some popcorn
Best answer to go with for anyone to understand
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Originally Posted by 96lt1m6
Ws6 was a suspension package available since the 3rd gens.

the difference in 1/4 mile is purely the difference in gear ratios available for the A4
2.73
3.23
Wrong, ws6 started as an option on the 2nd gen pontiacs in the 70's. It wasn't available on a 4th gen 93-95. In 1996 they brought it back and it stayed until 2002
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I'm willing to bet it was all in marketing for the Trans Am. I'm sure they never intended the Formula to be their "go-to fast car", just another differently optioned car. The TA made them more money, so they want to make it look faster.
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0-60 times vary wildy depending on the driver, conditions, and what publication is doing it. Has always been this way and always will be. Take the average 0-60 times a "insideline" gets vs. "motortrend" and "car and driver".....motortrend is almost always getting significantly better times. Insideline is always the slowest. Better drivers, better techniques, better weather conditions, better track conditions, shift points? All of this comes into play; not just the car and it's options. Comparing 0-60 times is a moot point; comparing apples to oranges unless both cars were tested on the exact same day, track, driver, weather, publication, ect.

1/4 mile and ET are much better indicators of a car's acceleration


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