View Full Version : any recruiters in here? PLEASE HELP!


badhombre
07-24-2012, 01:10 AM
ok, so here's my situation:

7 years ago, I enlisted in the Marine Corps DEP program. was in it for a year and shipped out 2 weeks after high school graduation. upon arriving at parris island, I began having problems with my left hip. after bouncing back and forth between medical visits and training, I was dropped to MRP. while in MRP I was questioned whether or not I had problems with my hip before. I said I believed it had been injured in a car accident, but had been checked my a civilian doctor and cleared. they requested my CMR's and saw that what I said was true, but because I saw a doctor for this and did not tell MEPS (even though doctor cleared me and recruiter told me there was no reason to) I was considered a fraud and dropped to RSP and sent home. since then I have researched the problem with my hip and diagnosed it and have been treating it. now I do not have a problem with it. I want to re-enlist now, but I went to my local recruiter's office and was basically told I was wasting their time. that is was highly unlikely I could get a waiver for this. I have already talked to the Air Force and Navy, and both said they do not want to deal with waivers at all right now. Army is my LAST option, but if it is my only one, I will do it.

When I enlisted originally, upon taking my ASVAB, my recruiter sat down with me and looked over my scores. He said I had the second highest mechanical comprehension score that office had ever seen and handed me the MOS sheet and said I could do anything I wanted. I chose Air crew chief and my job was garaunteed. I was also given a $50,000 college fund by the MC because my recruiter knew my goal was to become a pilot and wanted to see that happen. so, apparently they saw value in me. I have since kept myself to physical standards, have stayed out of trouble and away from drugs and such. the only issue is the medical waiver and obtaining it. are the recruiters just not wanting to deal with it, or is there really no hope for me? this is something I really want to do, and at this point in time NEED to do. sorry for the long post but I wanted to lay everything out in hopes someone here can help

canada4g63
07-24-2012, 09:12 AM
Best bet is to go into the army. I know the Air Force wise there alway down sizing and were the hardest to get into. If i could go back i would have went army or marine only because of my shitty job in the air force.

AlamoTA
07-24-2012, 09:13 AM
Sorry for your problems, but unforutnately with all the cuts, recruiters jobs have become easier with less slots and more applicants. Keep trying, but if all else fails, look into the Guard or Reserves. Good Luck!

badhombre
07-24-2012, 01:41 PM
thanks guys. I love the Corps, but if they won't take me, I may have to go Army. I want to serve in some way, and I want to work on aircraft. it's always been my dream. and right now, I have been unemployed for 8 months, my family needs healthcare, and my house is in foreclosure. This is the best fit solution I see to all my problems but it's proving not to be so easy :(

ricks4genshianne
07-24-2012, 07:20 PM
https://forums.goarmy.com/message/537927

April 30, 2012



SUBJECT: Prior Service (PS) Accession Business Rules and Enlisted Call to

Active Duty (AD) for enlistments into the Regular Army (RA). (UPDATED)



1. This is an immediate message and requires dissemination to all recruiting

personnel.



2. This message is valid for 2 years from date of publication unless sooner

rescinded or superseded.



3. References:



a. Army Regulation 601-210, Active and Reserve Component Enlistment Program,

dated 8 February 2011 (with Operational changes), dated 14 June 2011.



b. Department of the Army Memorandum, Prior Service Accessions Business

Rules for Grade Determinations, dated 24 April 2012.



c. MILPER Message 12-117, FY13 Enlisted Call to Active Duty Regular Army

Program, dated 24 April 2012.



d. USAREC message 12-015, Operation Blue to Green Enlistment Program, dated

20 October 2011.



e. USAREC message 12-090, Prior Service (PS) enlistments into the Regular

Army (RA), dated 15 February 2012. (Rescinded)



4. The purpose of this message is to announce new guidance on PS Accession

Business Rules and Enlisted Call to AD for enlistments into the RA.



5. Effective 1 May 2012, PS enlistments in all Skill Levels, to include Soldiers

from Sister Services applying for the Blue to Green (B2G) Program, are restricted

by critical MOS exception according to Human Resource Command (HRC) Accessions

Business Rules. This policy does not affect those PS already in Delayed Status

(DS). No reductions in pay grade will be favorably considered, no exceptions.



6. This policy affects all Days of Service (DOS) Soldiers in pay grades E-1 thru

E-4. Applicants with 179 days or less on Active Duty are considered DOS.

Applicants who never shipped to training and have ZERO days of service may apply

for an exception to policy thru Enlistment Eligibility and Processing Division.



7. This policy DOES NOT affect Soldiers who are removed from the Temporary

Disability Retirement List (TDRL). All Soldiers removed from TDRL will have a

formal electronic grade determination completed IAW AR 601-210, Chapter 5-51f.



8. The HRC Business Rules will be updated periodically by HRC.



a. Applicants in grade E-5 and above must submit a formal electronic request

for grade determination to CG, USAREC IAW with AR 601-210, Chapter 3-17.



b. If applicant is MOS qualified in an MOS listed for his/her pay grade in

paragraph 10a; approval will be granted in his/her grade in current PMOS.



c. If applicant is not MOS qualified for a MOS listed for his/her pay grade

in paragraph 10a, then grade will be approved to retrain in an MOS listed in

paragraph 10b for his/her pay grade if training is available.



d. Applicants in pay grade E-4 and above who hold MOS 09L, 18E, 18F 42R,

42S, 46Q, 46R can request an exception to the Business Rules. Send exception

request thru GCR as a grade determination. Exceptions are not always favorably

considered.



NOTE on MOS 09L; 09L E5s and above that speak a language(s) outside of Farsi,

Dari or Pashtu could possibly reenter as an 09L as there is a shortage of skill

level 2 and 3 Soldiers. Additionally, 09Ls in any grade should meet the

qualifications for 35P under ACASP. If reclassification into MOS 35P is desired

a DLPT score of 2/2 is required and must accompany the grade determination

workflow. If approved, applicants will have to attend 35P AIT at Goodfellow AFB.



9. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy

listed in paragraph 10a below, and there are no retraining vacancies in current

grade listed in paragraph 10b below, request for grade determination for the

purpose of enlistment in the RA will not be favorably considered due to lack of

vacancies in MOS and grade.



10. Accession date for all PS/DOS who enlist for primary option 18 (US Army

First Assignment Only) will be RSM December 2012, unless otherwise directed by

the Recruiting Operations Center (ROC). The following vacancies are available

provided the applicant is otherwise qualified.



a. Vacancies by grade and MOS (changes based on the needs of the Army):



(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 09L, 11B, 12D, 12M, 12N, 12W, 13B, 13D, 13F,

13R, 14E, 14G, 14T, 15N, 15Q, 15T, 15U, 15W, 18B, 18C, 18D, 25V, 31B, 31D, 35G,

35N, 35P (language dependent), 35S, 38B, 56M, 68D, 68K, 68M, 68P, 68Q, 68R, 68S,

68T, 68V, 88L, 89D, 91B, 91F (see note below), 92A, 92R or 94H.



(2) Grade E-5 - 09L, 11B, 12D, 12M, 12N, 12W, 13B, 13D, 13F, 13R, 14E,

14G, 14T, 15N, 15Q, 15T, 15U, 15W, 18B, 18C, 18D, 25V, 31B, 31D, 35F, 35G, 35L,

35N, 35P (language dependent), 35S, 37F, 38B, 56M, 68D, 68K, 68M, 68P, 68Q, 68R,

68S, 68T, 68V, 68X, 79R, 88L, 89D, 91B, 91F (see note below), 92A, 92R or 94H.



(3) Grade E-6 - 12D, 14E, 14G, 14T, 15Q, 15W, 18B, 18C, 18D, 31B, 35F,

35G, 35L, 35N, 35P (language dependent), 35S, 37F, 38B, 56M, 68D, 68M, 68Q, 68R,

68V, 79R.



(4) Grade E-7 - 35P (language dependent).



(5) Grade E-8 and above - no vacancies.



NOTE: Prior Service applicants that held PMOS 45B are now MOS qualified in

MOS 91F.



b. If no vacancy exists, the following MOS will be used for retraining

(changes monthly based on the needs of the Army):



(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 18X.



(2) Grades E-5 and above - no vacancies.



c. The following vacancies by grade and MOS are available if already

AIRBORNE qualified.



(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 12B, 12N, 13B, 13D, 13F, 13T, 15W, 25B,

25C, 25M, 25R, 25S, 35F, 35N, 42A, 68W, 88M, 91B, 91D, 91E, 91F, 91G, 92A,

92G or 92Y.



(2) Grade E-5 - 25C, 25R, 42A, 35F, 74D, 91F, 92A or 92Y.



d. If applicant holds the grade and MOS that is listed in paragraph 10a

above, the applicant will enlist for Option 18 (U.S. Army First Assignment Only);

Prior Service Accession Branch (USAREC) will validate MOS qualifications.



11. All applicants who require a grade determination, Prior Service

Accession Branch (USAREC) will determine the enlistment grade as

follows:



a. Applicant must enlist in the Delayed Status (DS) within 14 days

of final grade determination. He/she must understand that the vacancies

constantly change; if the grade determination expires prior to enlisting

into the DS, they could be subject to disapproval.



b. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy

listed in paragraph 10a above and there are no retraining vacancies in current

grade listed in paragraph 10b above, he/she will not be granted accession at this

time. Training opportunities exist for MOSs and grades listed in paragraph l0b

above, however, training is limited. Administrative reduction is no longer

authorized to fill a vacancy.



12. If a renegotiation is approved the DS Soldier may enlist under current HRC

business rules or the HRC business rules in affect at time of entry in the DS.



13. All PS/DOS applicants that hold an Additional Skill Identifier (ASI) may

submit for an exception to policy without regards to the listed MOS vacancies in

paragraph 10a above. Not all exceptions are favorably considered.



14. All PS applicants that hold MOS 42R who currently serve in the USAR/ARNG in

the grades E-4 thru E-6 may compete for active duty vacancies on the USAREC Order

of Merit List (OML). Maximum AFS for each grade are as follows: 12 years for

SSG, 8 years for SGT, 4 years for SPC. Send exception request thru GCR as a

grade determination. Exceptions are not always favorably considered.



15. All PS/DOS applicants that are proficient in a language, as evidenced by

DLPT results of 2/2 or higher, will also be considered as exceptions to policy.

Language ability must not have been obtained by DLI attendance. Languages that

will be considered are Arabic (any dialect), Farsi, Dari, Pashtu, Chinese,

Spanish, French, Russian, Tagalog, Hebrew, Indonesian, Serbo-Croatian, Urdu and

Korean. Applicants that have approved exceptions must successfully complete 35P

AIT. Basic training may also be required IAW AR 601-210.

ricks4genshianne
07-24-2012, 07:21 PM
Mind you, some MOSs have dropped off as have certain programs. The best folks to talk to? A real Recruiter in your hometown.

badhombre
07-24-2012, 10:12 PM
wow... thanks for the info. so, if I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly, the Army is also being more particular about accepting people? My local marine recruiter said if I were to re-enlist because of my entry level separation, I would be considered a new enlistment and non prior service, but the re code will still have to be waived. this seems a little contradictory to me, unless it would be considered the same as me enlisting new with a medical condition that would have to be waived?

lt1 hawk
08-04-2012, 02:09 PM
wow... thanks for the info. so, if I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly, the Army is also being more particular about accepting people? My local marine recruiter said if I were to re-enlist because of my entry level separation, I would be considered a new enlistment and non prior service, but the re code will still have to be waived. this seems a little contradictory to me, unless it would be considered the same as me enlisting new with a medical condition that would have to be waived?

I deal with these things on a regular basis now. Since you were an MCRD discharge, you will need a couple of waivers. First is for the medical condition, and the other is because you were seperated from boot camp. Not going to get deep and dirty into the details, but I hope you have a good story of what you are doing now and have been doing in the mean time. Their obvious question is going to be, why did it take you 7 freaking years? Waiver is not impossible, but improbable. Worth a try. I would suggest asking the recruiter if he is willing to process you and try for the waiver (he doesn't have to, you aren't entitled to shit), but the recruiter doesn't have to, and many won't bother: not worth thier time... Reserves might be your only option due to dependants. If you want to be a Marine, go for it. If it doesn't work out, you might have to try a couple of them till you find ones that are willing to work the waiver (think about it, the amount of time he would have to put in and the lack of chance that it will get approved, it would be a poor gamble on his part). If that doesn't work out, shoot for the Army since that seems to be your second choice.

roy
08-05-2012, 11:27 AM
According to that MILPER MSG, OP is pretty much blocked from the Army option.

badazz81z28
08-05-2012, 03:43 PM
OP, No offense to you, but as a person in a supervisory capacity...we don't have the time to deal with people with issues or on waivers. We have enough of those already to deal with.

Many people forget, especially many of the young folks in the military today. This is the military and NOT a "JOB". If you have injuries, medical problems, health issues etc...youre a liabilty and not only cost more money than other recruits, but an extra burden on others within your workcenter. If AD wont take you, I surely don't want you in the Reserves or Guard either....

I do salute your drive and motivation to want to serve, but we have to uphold these standards.

badhombre
08-15-2012, 08:52 AM
Well, I ran my case by my local recruiter and they didn't even want to try to process it. at first I was thoroughly distraught, but now it has just motivated me to push harder. What took me so long is diagnosing and treating the condition on my own since doctors couldn't seem to figure it out. I spent hours digging through google results until I found a condition that matched my symptoms exactly. I began treating it and have been successful. I have kept myself to ist standards since being discharged, and have been pushing myself harder and stressing the hip to see if it has issues again, but so far so good. I'm not giving up this easy