07-24-2012, 12:10 AM
ok, so here's my situation:
7 years ago, I enlisted in the Marine Corps DEP program. was in it for a year and shipped out 2 weeks after high school graduation. upon arriving at parris island, I began having problems with my left hip. after bouncing back and forth between medical visits and training, I was dropped to MRP. while in MRP I was questioned whether or not I had problems with my hip before. I said I believed it had been injured in a car accident, but had been checked my a civilian doctor and cleared. they requested my CMR's and saw that what I said was true, but because I saw a doctor for this and did not tell MEPS (even though doctor cleared me and recruiter told me there was no reason to) I was considered a fraud and dropped to RSP and sent home. since then I have researched the problem with my hip and diagnosed it and have been treating it. now I do not have a problem with it. I want to re-enlist now, but I went to my local recruiter's office and was basically told I was wasting their time. that is was highly unlikely I could get a waiver for this. I have already talked to the Air Force and Navy, and both said they do not want to deal with waivers at all right now. Army is my LAST option, but if it is my only one, I will do it.
When I enlisted originally, upon taking my ASVAB, my recruiter sat down with me and looked over my scores. He said I had the second highest mechanical comprehension score that office had ever seen and handed me the MOS sheet and said I could do anything I wanted. I chose Air crew chief and my job was garaunteed. I was also given a $50,000 college fund by the MC because my recruiter knew my goal was to become a pilot and wanted to see that happen. so, apparently they saw value in me. I have since kept myself to physical standards, have stayed out of trouble and away from drugs and such. the only issue is the medical waiver and obtaining it. are the recruiters just not wanting to deal with it, or is there really no hope for me? this is something I really want to do, and at this point in time NEED to do. sorry for the long post but I wanted to lay everything out in hopes someone here can help
07-24-2012, 06:20 PM
April 30, 2012
SUBJECT: Prior Service (PS) Accession Business Rules and Enlisted Call to
Active Duty (AD) for enlistments into the Regular Army (RA). (UPDATED)
1. This is an immediate message and requires dissemination to all recruiting
2. This message is valid for 2 years from date of publication unless sooner
rescinded or superseded.
a. Army Regulation 601-210, Active and Reserve Component Enlistment Program,
dated 8 February 2011 (with Operational changes), dated 14 June 2011.
b. Department of the Army Memorandum, Prior Service Accessions Business
Rules for Grade Determinations, dated 24 April 2012.
c. MILPER Message 12-117, FY13 Enlisted Call to Active Duty Regular Army
Program, dated 24 April 2012.
d. USAREC message 12-015, Operation Blue to Green Enlistment Program, dated
20 October 2011.
e. USAREC message 12-090, Prior Service (PS) enlistments into the Regular
Army (RA), dated 15 February 2012. (Rescinded)
4. The purpose of this message is to announce new guidance on PS Accession
Business Rules and Enlisted Call to AD for enlistments into the RA.
5. Effective 1 May 2012, PS enlistments in all Skill Levels, to include Soldiers
from Sister Services applying for the Blue to Green (B2G) Program, are restricted
by critical MOS exception according to Human Resource Command (HRC) Accessions
Business Rules. This policy does not affect those PS already in Delayed Status
(DS). No reductions in pay grade will be favorably considered, no exceptions.
6. This policy affects all Days of Service (DOS) Soldiers in pay grades E-1 thru
E-4. Applicants with 179 days or less on Active Duty are considered DOS.
Applicants who never shipped to training and have ZERO days of service may apply
for an exception to policy thru Enlistment Eligibility and Processing Division.
7. This policy DOES NOT affect Soldiers who are removed from the Temporary
Disability Retirement List (TDRL). All Soldiers removed from TDRL will have a
formal electronic grade determination completed IAW AR 601-210, Chapter 5-51f.
8. The HRC Business Rules will be updated periodically by HRC.
a. Applicants in grade E-5 and above must submit a formal electronic request
for grade determination to CG, USAREC IAW with AR 601-210, Chapter 3-17.
b. If applicant is MOS qualified in an MOS listed for his/her pay grade in
paragraph 10a; approval will be granted in his/her grade in current PMOS.
c. If applicant is not MOS qualified for a MOS listed for his/her pay grade
in paragraph 10a, then grade will be approved to retrain in an MOS listed in
paragraph 10b for his/her pay grade if training is available.
d. Applicants in pay grade E-4 and above who hold MOS 09L, 18E, 18F 42R,
42S, 46Q, 46R can request an exception to the Business Rules. Send exception
request thru GCR as a grade determination. Exceptions are not always favorably
NOTE on MOS 09L; 09L E5s and above that speak a language(s) outside of Farsi,
Dari or Pashtu could possibly reenter as an 09L as there is a shortage of skill
level 2 and 3 Soldiers. Additionally, 09Ls in any grade should meet the
qualifications for 35P under ACASP. If reclassification into MOS 35P is desired
a DLPT score of 2/2 is required and must accompany the grade determination
workflow. If approved, applicants will have to attend 35P AIT at Goodfellow AFB.
9. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy
listed in paragraph 10a below, and there are no retraining vacancies in current
grade listed in paragraph 10b below, request for grade determination for the
purpose of enlistment in the RA will not be favorably considered due to lack of
vacancies in MOS and grade.
10. Accession date for all PS/DOS who enlist for primary option 18 (US Army
First Assignment Only) will be RSM December 2012, unless otherwise directed by
the Recruiting Operations Center (ROC). The following vacancies are available
provided the applicant is otherwise qualified.
a. Vacancies by grade and MOS (changes based on the needs of the Army):
(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 09L, 11B, 12D, 12M, 12N, 12W, 13B, 13D, 13F,
13R, 14E, 14G, 14T, 15N, 15Q, 15T, 15U, 15W, 18B, 18C, 18D, 25V, 31B, 31D, 35G,
35N, 35P (language dependent), 35S, 38B, 56M, 68D, 68K, 68M, 68P, 68Q, 68R, 68S,
68T, 68V, 88L, 89D, 91B, 91F (see note below), 92A, 92R or 94H.
(2) Grade E-5 - 09L, 11B, 12D, 12M, 12N, 12W, 13B, 13D, 13F, 13R, 14E,
14G, 14T, 15N, 15Q, 15T, 15U, 15W, 18B, 18C, 18D, 25V, 31B, 31D, 35F, 35G, 35L,
35N, 35P (language dependent), 35S, 37F, 38B, 56M, 68D, 68K, 68M, 68P, 68Q, 68R,
68S, 68T, 68V, 68X, 79R, 88L, 89D, 91B, 91F (see note below), 92A, 92R or 94H.
(3) Grade E-6 - 12D, 14E, 14G, 14T, 15Q, 15W, 18B, 18C, 18D, 31B, 35F,
35G, 35L, 35N, 35P (language dependent), 35S, 37F, 38B, 56M, 68D, 68M, 68Q, 68R,
(4) Grade E-7 - 35P (language dependent).
(5) Grade E-8 and above - no vacancies.
NOTE: Prior Service applicants that held PMOS 45B are now MOS qualified in
b. If no vacancy exists, the following MOS will be used for retraining
(changes monthly based on the needs of the Army):
(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 18X.
(2) Grades E-5 and above - no vacancies.
c. The following vacancies by grade and MOS are available if already
(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 12B, 12N, 13B, 13D, 13F, 13T, 15W, 25B,
25C, 25M, 25R, 25S, 35F, 35N, 42A, 68W, 88M, 91B, 91D, 91E, 91F, 91G, 92A,
92G or 92Y.
(2) Grade E-5 - 25C, 25R, 42A, 35F, 74D, 91F, 92A or 92Y.
d. If applicant holds the grade and MOS that is listed in paragraph 10a
above, the applicant will enlist for Option 18 (U.S. Army First Assignment Only);
Prior Service Accession Branch (USAREC) will validate MOS qualifications.
11. All applicants who require a grade determination, Prior Service
Accession Branch (USAREC) will determine the enlistment grade as
a. Applicant must enlist in the Delayed Status (DS) within 14 days
of final grade determination. He/she must understand that the vacancies
constantly change; if the grade determination expires prior to enlisting
into the DS, they could be subject to disapproval.
b. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy
listed in paragraph 10a above and there are no retraining vacancies in current
grade listed in paragraph 10b above, he/she will not be granted accession at this
time. Training opportunities exist for MOSs and grades listed in paragraph l0b
above, however, training is limited. Administrative reduction is no longer
authorized to fill a vacancy.
12. If a renegotiation is approved the DS Soldier may enlist under current HRC
business rules or the HRC business rules in affect at time of entry in the DS.
13. All PS/DOS applicants that hold an Additional Skill Identifier (ASI) may
submit for an exception to policy without regards to the listed MOS vacancies in
paragraph 10a above. Not all exceptions are favorably considered.
14. All PS applicants that hold MOS 42R who currently serve in the USAR/ARNG in
the grades E-4 thru E-6 may compete for active duty vacancies on the USAREC Order
of Merit List (OML). Maximum AFS for each grade are as follows: 12 years for
SSG, 8 years for SGT, 4 years for SPC. Send exception request thru GCR as a
grade determination. Exceptions are not always favorably considered.
15. All PS/DOS applicants that are proficient in a language, as evidenced by
DLPT results of 2/2 or higher, will also be considered as exceptions to policy.
Language ability must not have been obtained by DLI attendance. Languages that
will be considered are Arabic (any dialect), Farsi, Dari, Pashtu, Chinese,
Spanish, French, Russian, Tagalog, Hebrew, Indonesian, Serbo-Croatian, Urdu and
Korean. Applicants that have approved exceptions must successfully complete 35P
AIT. Basic training may also be required IAW AR 601-210.
08-04-2012, 01:09 PM
wow... thanks for the info. so, if I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly, the Army is also being more particular about accepting people? My local marine recruiter said if I were to re-enlist because of my entry level separation, I would be considered a new enlistment and non prior service, but the re code will still have to be waived. this seems a little contradictory to me, unless it would be considered the same as me enlisting new with a medical condition that would have to be waived?
I deal with these things on a regular basis now. Since you were an MCRD discharge, you will need a couple of waivers. First is for the medical condition, and the other is because you were seperated from boot camp. Not going to get deep and dirty into the details, but I hope you have a good story of what you are doing now and have been doing in the mean time. Their obvious question is going to be, why did it take you 7 freaking years? Waiver is not impossible, but improbable. Worth a try. I would suggest asking the recruiter if he is willing to process you and try for the waiver (he doesn't have to, you aren't entitled to shit), but the recruiter doesn't have to, and many won't bother: not worth thier time... Reserves might be your only option due to dependants. If you want to be a Marine, go for it. If it doesn't work out, you might have to try a couple of them till you find ones that are willing to work the waiver (think about it, the amount of time he would have to put in and the lack of chance that it will get approved, it would be a poor gamble on his part). If that doesn't work out, shoot for the Army since that seems to be your second choice.