Need Help Picking Out a Mild Cam
10-15-2012, 06:19 PM
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Need Help Picking Out a Mild Cam Within the next two weeks I am about to do a new head/new cam install. My dilemma right now at the moment is finding an appropriate cam.
My father owns an '07 CTS-V. I own a '98 T/A WS6. I will be getting his 243 heads, valve springs, and pushrods. I'm looking for a mild cam which I can use his valve springs, keep the current rocker arms that I own, and get a mild lope at idle. These valve springs from the Caddy have about 30,000 miles on them. I looked at the Chevy Hot Cam, but was kind of turned off by the 400+ dollars and pretty much no performance boost. Also, the car WILL be tuned.
In advance, thanks for the help.
My father owns an '07 CTS-V. I own a '98 T/A WS6. I will be getting his 243 heads, valve springs, and pushrods. I'm looking for a mild cam which I can use his valve springs, keep the current rocker arms that I own, and get a mild lope at idle. These valve springs from the Caddy have about 30,000 miles on them. I looked at the Chevy Hot Cam, but was kind of turned off by the 400+ dollars and pretty much no performance boost. Also, the car WILL be tuned.
In advance, thanks for the help.
10-15-2012, 06:34 PM
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You wouldn't happen to be in Alabama would you? If so I'm in Athens.
OP if you want to keep the stock springs that are in the 243 heads your cam option are very, very limited. IMO just buy you a set of aftermarket beehive springs (.600) lift and some hardened pushrods to match whatever cam you decide. If you want a little more power a little more lope go with something like a 224/224 cam. Be easy to DD easy to tune and its just a great all around cam.
OP if you want to keep the stock springs that are in the 243 heads your cam option are very, very limited. IMO just buy you a set of aftermarket beehive springs (.600) lift and some hardened pushrods to match whatever cam you decide. If you want a little more power a little more lope go with something like a 224/224 cam. Be easy to DD easy to tune and its just a great all around cam.
10-15-2012, 07:11 PM
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You wouldn't happen to be in Alabama would you? If so I'm in Athens.
OP if you want to keep the stock springs that are in the 243 heads your cam option are very, very limited. IMO just buy you a set of aftermarket beehive springs (.600) lift and some hardened pushrods to match whatever cam you decide. If you want a little more power a little more lope go with something like a 224/224 cam. Be easy to DD easy to tune and its just a great all around cam.
OP if you want to keep the stock springs that are in the 243 heads your cam option are very, very limited. IMO just buy you a set of aftermarket beehive springs (.600) lift and some hardened pushrods to match whatever cam you decide. If you want a little more power a little more lope go with something like a 224/224 cam. Be easy to DD easy to tune and its just a great all around cam.
Doing valve springs and a cam aren't too big of a deal now that I know my choices would be limited. However, doing valve springs, rocker arms, and a cam would pose more of an inconvenience. Which cams would you recommend (that do not require replacing the rocker arms)? Completely noob to this. Looking for a cam in the ballpark of 250-300 or less.
1nasty86: Where can I find the cam that you listed? I'd like to check it out.
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10-15-2012, 07:33 PM
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You could find a used 224r or 228r in the forsale section. A eps 222-226 would be a nice option as well.
This is considering you will at least buy a good set of beehives. The price on the Brian tooley duals is very attractive though. Just sayin.
This is considering you will at least buy a good set of beehives. The price on the Brian tooley duals is very attractive though. Just sayin.
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10-15-2012, 08:59 PM
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Yes, I live in Huntsville, Alabama. I'm usually driving on Highway 72, Jeff Road, Researh Park Blvd, and Blake Bottom.
Doing valve springs and a cam aren't too big of a deal now that I know my choices would be limited. However, doing valve springs, rocker arms, and a cam would pose more of an inconvenience. Which cams would you recommend (that do not require replacing the rocker arms)? Completely noob to this. Looking for a cam in the ballpark of 250-300 or less.
1nasty86: Where can I find the cam that you listed? I'd like to check it out.
Doing valve springs and a cam aren't too big of a deal now that I know my choices would be limited. However, doing valve springs, rocker arms, and a cam would pose more of an inconvenience. Which cams would you recommend (that do not require replacing the rocker arms)? Completely noob to this. Looking for a cam in the ballpark of 250-300 or less.
1nasty86: Where can I find the cam that you listed? I'd like to check it out.
The cam I listed is the 224R cam from texas-speed they are a sponsor of this forum. The 224R is the exact cam that is in my car and my #'s are in sig.
I hope this helps OP. Maybe I'll see you around.
10-15-2012, 11:21 PM
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Thanks everyone for the input.
This is what I'm down to. I'm considering the following:
Lingenfelter GT1: 218/229, .561"/.561", Rocker Arm 1.7 ratio
Texas-Speed 224R: 224/224, .581"/.581"
1nasty86 cam: 239/246, .617/.615 Lsl intake lobe and lxl exhaust lobe
What should I expect with these cams (in terms of power and daily driveability)? Haven't heard too much about the Lingenfelter GT1 cam other than one guy running it, but he was using a Mustang Dyno. The 224r results are jawdropping. Still waiting on reply for results for the 1nasty86 cam, although that cam sounds sexy.
One another note from my observations, how much of a difference is there from the 224r to the 228r. Since they are the same price and people go with the 224r, I'm assuming a lot more modding is involved from one to the other.
This is what I'm down to. I'm considering the following:
Lingenfelter GT1: 218/229, .561"/.561", Rocker Arm 1.7 ratio
Texas-Speed 224R: 224/224, .581"/.581"
1nasty86 cam: 239/246, .617/.615 Lsl intake lobe and lxl exhaust lobe
What should I expect with these cams (in terms of power and daily driveability)? Haven't heard too much about the Lingenfelter GT1 cam other than one guy running it, but he was using a Mustang Dyno. The 224r results are jawdropping. Still waiting on reply for results for the 1nasty86 cam, although that cam sounds sexy.
One another note from my observations, how much of a difference is there from the 224r to the 228r. Since they are the same price and people go with the 224r, I'm assuming a lot more modding is involved from one to the other.
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10-16-2012, 03:17 PM
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After looking through the list of cams, I have decided on the GMPP ASA Cam. Specs are the following: 226/236 @ .050", 0.525"/0.525".
From what I've read, these will require the LS6 Valve Springs which can be purchased for around $55.00 or so.
Is anyone aware of where I can purchase this cam for around 400 dollars? What I've seen so far is around $450 and that's a little bit much for that cam imho.
Is this the same cam?
Old part #: 12480110
New part #: 88958770
From what I've read, these will require the LS6 Valve Springs which can be purchased for around $55.00 or so.
Is anyone aware of where I can purchase this cam for around 400 dollars? What I've seen so far is around $450 and that's a little bit much for that cam imho.
Is this the same cam?
Old part #: 12480110
New part #: 88958770
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10-16-2012, 03:39 PM
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If your budget is around $450, I would look in the classifieds for a good used cam. I bought a Comp 224 cam with 5K on it from a guy just north of Huntsville for $225 shipped. I bought this spring kit..
http://www.briantooleyracing.com/660...retainers.html
For $445 I've got a good cam and a good spring kit. Pushrods and you should be good.
http://www.briantooleyracing.com/660...retainers.html
For $445 I've got a good cam and a good spring kit. Pushrods and you should be good.
10-16-2012, 03:56 PM
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I really like the 228R, but have you seen the numbers on the ASA cam and the way it sounds?
There was a thread here about the cam: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...p-asa-cam.html
A lot of people are reporting near 400 rwhp with just the cam alone. That's insane. To add onto that, it needs these valve springs: 12499224 which come stock in the LS6, LS2, LS3 engine. For someone on a budget, this is the perfect setup. The 243 heads that I'm getting is a full setup. My father will be replacing his old valve springs. Car has roughly 30,000 miles on it.
There was a thread here about the cam: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...p-asa-cam.html
A lot of people are reporting near 400 rwhp with just the cam alone. That's insane. To add onto that, it needs these valve springs: 12499224 which come stock in the LS6, LS2, LS3 engine. For someone on a budget, this is the perfect setup. The 243 heads that I'm getting is a full setup. My father will be replacing his old valve springs. Car has roughly 30,000 miles on it.
10-16-2012, 05:47 PM
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I really like the 228R, but have you seen the numbers on the ASA cam and the way it sounds?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL1OhyPw9Sw
There was a thread here about the cam: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...p-asa-cam.html
A lot of people are reporting near 400 rwhp with just the cam alone. That's insane. To add onto that, it needs these valve springs: 12499224 which come stock in the LS6, LS2, LS3 engine. For someone on a budget, this is the perfect setup. The 243 heads that I'm getting is a full setup. My father will be replacing his old valve springs. Car has roughly 30,000 miles on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL1OhyPw9Sw
There was a thread here about the cam: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...p-asa-cam.html
A lot of people are reporting near 400 rwhp with just the cam alone. That's insane. To add onto that, it needs these valve springs: 12499224 which come stock in the LS6, LS2, LS3 engine. For someone on a budget, this is the perfect setup. The 243 heads that I'm getting is a full setup. My father will be replacing his old valve springs. Car has roughly 30,000 miles on it.
Sounds WAY BETTER in person too.
10-16-2012, 05:57 PM
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OP that ASA cam is dumped right at the driver seat. You can do the same thing to a stock cammed car and it will sound very similiar. In my clip the exhaust is ran all the way to the bumper and on a cold start idling at ~1000rpm. If it was a warm start idling ~800rpm it would be much more noticeable.
10-16-2012, 06:11 PM
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Very nice car. What was your personal reason in going with the 224r over the 228r? From what I've seen the two are the same price, but the 228r has roughly about 5-7 more horsepower.
10-16-2012, 06:39 PM
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No real reason really but when I called TSP and told them what I wanted in a cam they reccomended the 224R.
10-16-2012, 08:46 PM
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why not go with the 224/228 .581/.588 112 from tsp...... i had that cam and it made 352/344 on an unlocked converter 5.3 so i see no reason for it making less that 400 on a 6 speed ls1 car with the 243 heads and supporting mods... i like cams favored more on the exhaust but thats just my preferance