driveabilty with these mods?
03-13-2013, 06:50 AM
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driveabilty with these mods? just purchased a 2000 t/a, and im used to ls1's i used to have a 01 ss but i never had the mods that this car currently has. wondering how my driveabilty will be like as it will be a dd and will be mostly city driven. car has full bolt ons and a 228/230 600" lift cam with a 3800 stall and 4.11 gears. never driven a stalled car befoer and im wondering if that stall will be too high and the gears/cam combo will be too aggressive for street and daily driving.
03-13-2013, 07:29 AM
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That would be too much for me and most people for street / daily driving plain and simple. The gears will tighten the stall but city mpg will still be bad. Highway mpg with 4.11's 
03-13-2013, 07:50 AM
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I woud drive it daily. It seems like a good set up to me, but everyone is different. A 3800 is not too much for the street IMO. However, if you're worried about gas mileage, it probably wouldn't be the best choice for you.
03-13-2013, 08:19 AM
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Good call on asking the brand. I talked with FTI and Greg custom spec'ed me a converter to meet my needs so manufacturer does make a difference.
03-13-2013, 08:29 AM
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the stall is a yank 3800. im thinking of dropping it to 3400-3500 and lowering the gears to 3.73's. what is this "looseness" people keep referring to and will a 3400 with 3.73 gears yeild better results for a dd with city driving?
however with the cam thats installed will performance suffer and ill need to lower the cam as well?
however with the cam thats installed will performance suffer and ill need to lower the cam as well?
03-13-2013, 09:07 AM
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Yank SS3800? That's what I have and the SS series is tighter than the usual 3800 stall. Looseness refers to rpms going up and the car hardly moving, which is why gears help tighten the feel. I would stick with the SS3800 and just change the gearing either to 3.42s or 3.73s depending on how many rpms you want to turn on the highway. Don't touch the cam.
If you want to see if performance will suffer....run it at the track the way it sits now, then change the gears and run it again after the break in period.
If you want to see if performance will suffer....run it at the track the way it sits now, then change the gears and run it again after the break in period.
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03-13-2013, 09:48 AM
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I'll second the above, keep the converter and just change the gears to something a little more highway friendly. If you find that the 3800 isn't good enough for you to daily then you can have it restalled to a lower stall
03-13-2013, 10:07 AM
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so basically keep the 3800 and lower to 3.73's. i dont think looseness in driving is something that will bother me as it would seem that once the converter locked all looseness would go away correct? i never liked the idea of running on 4.11's anyway, seemed rougher on the notoriously weak rear. plus turning high rpms at highway speed isnt appealing to me. i am just worried that with that large of a cam and with 3.73's my low end power will suffer. correct me if im wrong but ive always interpreted things as the larger the cam you have the more you will lose on the low end and your car will feel sluggish and slow off a line until it gets into its powerband. unless thats what the stall is for to instantly place the car into its pwerband. the other thing here is this will be a street car. i rarely go to the track and id like to be able to have plenty of power for the street and local meetups but not so much i cant go from a dig at all on the street.
03-13-2013, 10:14 AM
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Leave the stall. More of a hassle to remove it just to restall it 200 less than it is now. That would be practically useless and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. If anything change the gears to 3.73s. I dd a 4000 stall 3.73s with a milder cam...not a complaint. Cost about 55$\wk in gas...it is what it is. Running 4.11s on the freeway is gonna drain your tank considerably though. Either way...stalled auto city..higher gear ratio highway ...equals bad gas mileage, but a fun performance rice burning monster.
03-13-2013, 10:16 AM
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You are going to love the stall, it will hit hard off the line (make sure you have a decent DR) I believe the SS3800 came with a STR of 2.55. Once the converter locks up the looseness will go away and the car will pull normally. Contribute the feeling of looseness as slipping the clutch on a manual, it feels the same way. The converter will eliminate any sluggish or slow feeling off the line, like I wrote earlier, make sure you have a good drag radial. I've heard that the Toyo Proxy DRs are in high demand........
03-13-2013, 11:42 AM
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anyone have a decent estimate of how much power or what i would run with these mods and full bolt ons? heads are stock and ported and it has an ls6 intake that also has been ported. has hooker long tubes and hooker catback and the usual bolt ons.
03-13-2013, 10:36 PM
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the stall is a yank 3800. im thinking of dropping it to 3400-3500 and lowering the gears to 3.73's. what is this "looseness" people keep referring to and will a 3400 with 3.73 gears yeild better results for a dd with city driving?
however with the cam thats installed will performance suffer and ill need to lower the cam as well?
however with the cam thats installed will performance suffer and ill need to lower the cam as well?
3400 is too small also.
Losseness is how much RPM it takes to get a decent pick up. Seriously, don't worry. You will understand when you drive it. With 410s that will be very DD friendly.
so basically keep the 3800 and lower to 3.73's. i dont think looseness in driving is something that will bother me as it would seem that once the converter locked all looseness would go away correct? i never liked the idea of running on 4.11's anyway, seemed rougher on the notoriously weak rear. plus turning high rpms at highway speed isnt appealing to me. i am just worried that with that large of a cam and with 3.73's my low end power will suffer. correct me if im wrong but ive always interpreted things as the larger the cam you have the more you will lose on the low end and your car will feel sluggish and slow off a line until it gets into its powerband. unless thats what the stall is for to instantly place the car into its pwerband. the other thing here is this will be a street car. i rarely go to the track and id like to be able to have plenty of power for the street and local meetups but not so much i cant go from a dig at all on the street.
Once the converter locks @ 40ish mph, it is exactly like stock.
That isn't a large cam, that is mid size.. Low end power will be absolutely fine.
Quick run down of my old setup..
226/228 .588 114
4000 PTC
373s
ported/milled 317s
stock intake
full exhaust
@3500#
It made 36XRhwp and ran bottom 7s@95mph barely spinning (1.50-1.52 60') and tuned for nitrous.. DA was 2200+.
Perfect for a quick car at the track and drove awesome. I got 22 or so on the HWY and around 16 in town.
I gave my power and numbers ^ there.. I could see mid 11s.
03-14-2013, 08:41 AM
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sounds good, thanks for the reply. when i return from det in a few months ill be able to see for myself how the car performs and maybe ill end up liking the current setup. appreciate the advice though on the stall sounds like the only thing i may end up changing is the gears.