hondakiller

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now i dont mean to demean the ARE car or the colonel or maybe i dont know the whole story but how can the new vette run right with those full on race cars while still being street legal with a warranty? now i know the stroker and twin turbos have something to do with it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> but whats the deal? is the lpe vette just that damn good or what?

mattf2

for 100k plus the car, it should be!

Crazyquik

Wade at ARE has a C5 thats went 9.25@155.

Steve Dumler's LPE C5 has went 9.24@150.

ARE's is faster, LPEs is quicker.

J.

AlonzoVersion 1.0

You would be surprised at what a 100,000 plus can get you these days performance wise.

hondakiller

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is the ARE car running on just motor too? if so i withdraw the question but then again that also begs the question why hasnt someone done a motor like that in a race car? with a full on slick and a converter with some weight reduction thats an 8 second car and still street legal with a tire swap as well. is anyone experimenting with all out fi or nitrous race cars yet?

Colonel

ARE's 155 mph car is twin turboed as well.

The quickest NA LS1 so far as I know is mine, 9.82. The fastest is the School of Automotive Machinists, 138 MPH.

Obviously, since the quickest forced induction or nitrous LS1s are still in the 9s, no one has done a serious drag specific setup with them. I may one day. First I want to run 8s NA which is going to be one helluva challenge to say the least (maybe impossible?)

<small>[ June 04, 2002, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: Colonel ]</small>

Colonel

...And you're right, take my car, install one of those 150+ MPH twin turboed engines, set the converter and gearing to match, and you've got yourself some EASY 8s.

kent

Go get them Colonel!!!! I think you have done one hell of a job on your car being NA. The SON of SAM car has a whole school of technicians and mechanics to tweak and adjustment their car. I don't know your backing, but You have done extremely well in my humble opinion. I haven't notice Son Of Sam school helping fellow car folks with questions and advice as this forum has. Anyway get that new engine and set some more records. Happy new time setting. Kent. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

Pro Stock John

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ARE C5 is not turbo, it's a 422ci + direct port nitrous.

The LPE TT C5 is probably the highest dollar effort as well. I would say that the owner has a 1/4 of a mill in the car and it's crew and trailer.

I thought it holds the record for best ET based on having run 9.22 and NOT 9.24 can we check?

Crazyquik

9.25 comes from a thread in our Corvette forum, maybe its faster now? At the time he upped the nawwwz and ran .15 quicker in the 1/8th but had some issues so slower in the 1/4. Nothing special, just a 422 with a hydralic cam and LS1 heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

There is an all-out race LS1. Way back in 1998 it was running 10.2s@133 with a Motor Trend writer riding shotgun and a sheetmetal intake on the mill, breathing thru LS1 castings. Last time I heard, which was about the time Mikey went 9.5 on the jug, it was running 9.5s on motor (how long ago was that?). Its a backhalve car though, and even though it has stock leather seats and carpet, door panels, and a really cool engine turned panels in the stock dash holding Autometers, it makes no consessions to streetability in the drivetrain or engine. Not really apples to apples, more like, peaches to tangerines. Similar but not the same.

What about the Lingenfelter C5R Z28? Got any #s on it?

J.

<small>[ June 04, 2002, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: Crazyquik ]</small>

Colonel

Trust me...that's not demeaning at all! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

There's QUITE a bit of difference between running twin turbos and running NA (naturally aspirated means having no supercharger, no turbocharger, and no nitrous for any new guys out there.) I'm very flattered to even have been mentioned in the same sentence with a twin turbocharged mega$$$ supercar such as LPE's.

If I had chosen the twin turbo (or N2O) route I would likely be running deep in the 8s. Why didn't I? NA performance simply intrigues me far more right now. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Colonel

BTW, with a simple swap to street tires (10 minutes) and the addition of some bullet mufflers (10 minutes), my car is perfectly street legal too.

...AND, I have a 24,000/2 year warranty on this MTI powerhouse. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

Quickin

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Colonel:
NA performance simply intrigues me far more right now.
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Ain't that the truth. It will always be intriguing to me.

As for LPE, big deal, with $100,000 I would consider it a bit slow.

Rpm2800

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by hondakiller:
<strong>is the ARE car running on just motor too? if so i withdraw the question but then again that also begs the question why hasnt someone done a motor like that in a race car? with a full on slick and a converter with some weight reduction thats an 8 second car and still street legal with a tire swap as well. is anyone experimenting with all out fi or nitrous race cars yet?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually those cars already have power to run 8's. They just need to use more of it. 150mph even is about 8.90 8.89 territory. And off course 155 is well into the 8's AS FAR AS POWER.

But their not an 8 second car until they can run the number though. Regardless if it's 9.01 at 165.

Whos knows why they are stuck at the bottom 9's. Maybe it is because they are not set up more for the strip. Maybe they need more testing. Who knows.

<small>[ June 06, 2002, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Rpm2800 ]</small>

Rpm2800

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Colonel:
[QB]ARE's 155 mph car is twin turboed as well.

Obviously, since the quickest forced induction or nitrous LS1s are still in the 9s, QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The quickest KNOWN.. or publisized ones.

hondakiller

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Rpm2800:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by hondakiller:
<strong>is the ARE car running on just motor too? if so i withdraw the question but then again that also begs the question why hasnt someone done a motor like that in a race car? with a full on slick and a converter with some weight reduction thats an 8 second car and still street legal with a tire swap as well. is anyone experimenting with all out fi or nitrous race cars yet?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually those cars already have power to run 8's. They just need to use more of it. 150mph even is about 8.90 8.89 territory. And off course 155 is well into the 8's AS FAR AS POWER.

But their not an 8 second car until they can run the number though. Regardless if it's 9.01 at 165.

Whos knows why they are stuck at the bottom 9's. Maybe it is because they are not set up more for the strip. Maybe they need more testing. Who knows.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">when it ran those 9.20's it was right off the street on e.t streets. with a full slick and some weight reduction and a better driver than motor trend itd probably go 8's with just that.

Pro Stock John

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The LPE TT C5 is a 427 C5R with twin turbos, and I am very sure it's best run is a 9.22 pass. The car is supported by a crew of folks and it's not a low dollar effort as you might expect. It's a very neat car.

The LPE Z28 is a 2000 Z28, also owned by a customer, that has gone (I think) 9.5's with C5R complete motor. Plans have been to get that car to run into the 8's... Plans have also included a possible minitub. Car turns some serious rpms and makes peak HP at an rpm you willl not believe, so I won't tell you. It's red too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ June 06, 2002, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</small>

TrahnZam WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by hondakiller:
<strong>is the ARE car running on just motor too? if so i withdraw the question but then again that also begs the question why hasnt someone done a motor like that in a race car? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cause its pointless. There are much cheaper ways to run 8s than with an LS1 in a race-car only application.

LEO

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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Take a good look at what that LPE car cost, $165,000.00!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

<small>[ June 06, 2002, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: LEO ]</small>

bigSS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quickin:
<strong>As for LPE, big deal, with $100,000 I would consider it a bit slow.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wouldn't go so far as to say that. The LPE C5 is a STREET CAR. Its almost as doscile as a stock C5, yet it runs the number. Its a "package" deal. You pay for the setup and the name. It is by no means a drag car.

<small>[ June 06, 2002, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: bigSS ]</small>