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hondakiller

06-04-2002, 07:44 AM

now i dont mean to demean the ARE car or the colonel or maybe i dont know the whole story but how can the new vette run right with those full on race cars while still being street legal with a warranty? now i know the stroker and twin turbos have something to do with it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> but whats the deal? is the lpe vette just that damn good or what?

mattf2

06-04-2002, 09:07 AM

for 100k plus the car, it should be!

Crazyquik

06-04-2002, 10:03 AM

Wade at ARE has a C5 thats went 9.25@155.

Steve Dumler's LPE C5 has went 9.24@150.

ARE's is faster, LPEs is quicker.

J.

AlonzoVersion 1.0

06-04-2002, 11:02 AM

You would be surprised at what a 100,000 plus can get you these days performance wise.

hondakiller

06-04-2002, 05:35 PM

is the ARE car running on just motor too? if so i withdraw the question but then again that also begs the question why hasnt someone done a motor like that in a race car? with a full on slick and a converter with some weight reduction thats an 8 second car and still street legal with a tire swap as well. is anyone experimenting with all out fi or nitrous race cars yet?

Colonel

06-04-2002, 05:42 PM

ARE's 155 mph car is twin turboed as well.

The quickest NA LS1 so far as I know is mine, 9.82. The fastest is the School of Automotive Machinists, 138 MPH.

Obviously, since the quickest forced induction or nitrous LS1s are still in the 9s, no one has done a serious drag specific setup with them. I may one day. First I want to run 8s NA which is going to be one helluva challenge to say the least (maybe impossible?)

[ June 04, 2002, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: Colonel ]

Colonel

06-04-2002, 05:46 PM

...And you're right, take my car, install one of those 150+ MPH twin turboed engines, set the converter and gearing to match, and you've got yourself some EASY 8s.

kent

06-04-2002, 06:08 PM

Go get them Colonel!!!! I think you have done one hell of a job on your car being NA. The SON of SAM car has a whole school of technicians and mechanics to tweak and adjustment their car. I don't know your backing, but You have done extremely well in my humble opinion. I haven't notice Son Of Sam school helping fellow car folks with questions and advice as this forum has. Anyway get that new engine and set some more records. Happy new time setting. Kent. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

Pro Stock John

06-04-2002, 08:15 PM

ARE C5 is not turbo, it's a 422ci + direct port nitrous.

The LPE TT C5 is probably the highest dollar effort as well. I would say that the owner has a 1/4 of a mill in the car and it's crew and trailer.

I thought it holds the record for best ET based on having run 9.22 and NOT 9.24 can we check?

Crazyquik

06-04-2002, 08:23 PM

9.25 comes from a thread in our Corvette forum, maybe its faster now? At the time he upped the nawwwz and ran .15 quicker in the 1/8th but had some issues so slower in the 1/4. Nothing special, just a 422 with a hydralic cam and LS1 heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

There is an all-out race LS1. Way back in 1998 it was running 10.2s@133 with a Motor Trend writer riding shotgun and a sheetmetal intake on the mill, breathing thru LS1 castings. Last time I heard, which was about the time Mikey went 9.5 on the jug, it was running 9.5s on motor (how long ago was that?). Its a backhalve car though, and even though it has stock leather seats and carpet, door panels, and a really cool engine turned panels in the stock dash holding Autometers, it makes no consessions to streetability in the drivetrain or engine. Not really apples to apples, more like, peaches to tangerines. Similar but not the same.

What about the Lingenfelter C5R Z28? Got any #s on it?

J.

[ June 04, 2002, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: Crazyquik ]

Colonel

06-05-2002, 12:10 AM

Trust me...that's not demeaning at all! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

There's QUITE a bit of difference between running twin turbos and running NA (naturally aspirated means having no supercharger, no turbocharger, and no nitrous for any new guys out there.) I'm very flattered to even have been mentioned in the same sentence with a twin turbocharged mega$$$ supercar such as LPE's.

If I had chosen the twin turbo (or N2O) route I would likely be running deep in the 8s. Why didn't I? NA performance simply intrigues me far more right now. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Colonel

06-05-2002, 12:12 AM

BTW, with a simple swap to street tires (10 minutes) and the addition of some bullet mufflers (10 minutes), my car is perfectly street legal too.

...AND, I have a 24,000/2 year warranty on this MTI powerhouse. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

Quickin

06-05-2002, 11:25 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Colonel:
NA performance simply intrigues me far more right now.
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Ain't that the truth. It will always be intriguing to me.

As for LPE, big deal, with $100,000 I would consider it a bit slow.

Rpm2800

06-05-2002, 11:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hondakiller:
is the ARE car running on just motor too? if so i withdraw the question but then again that also begs the question why hasnt someone done a motor like that in a race car? with a full on slick and a converter with some weight reduction thats an 8 second car and still street legal with a tire swap as well. is anyone experimenting with all out fi or nitrous race cars yet?<hr /></blockquote>Actually those cars already have power to run 8's. They just need to use more of it. 150mph even is about 8.90 8.89 territory. And off course 155 is well into the 8's AS FAR AS POWER.

But their not an 8 second car until they can run the number though. Regardless if it's 9.01 at 165.

Whos knows why they are stuck at the bottom 9's. Maybe it is because they are not set up more for the strip. Maybe they need more testing. Who knows.

[ June 06, 2002, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Rpm2800 ]

Rpm2800

06-06-2002, 12:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Colonel:
[QB]ARE's 155 mph car is twin turboed as well.

Obviously, since the quickest forced induction or nitrous LS1s are still in the 9s, QB]<hr /></blockquote>The quickest KNOWN.. or publisized ones.

hondakiller

06-06-2002, 12:08 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rpm2800:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hondakiller:
is the ARE car running on just motor too? if so i withdraw the question but then again that also begs the question why hasnt someone done a motor like that in a race car? with a full on slick and a converter with some weight reduction thats an 8 second car and still street legal with a tire swap as well. is anyone experimenting with all out fi or nitrous race cars yet?<hr /></blockquote>Actually those cars already have power to run 8's. They just need to use more of it. 150mph even is about 8.90 8.89 territory. And off course 155 is well into the 8's AS FAR AS POWER.

But their not an 8 second car until they can run the number though. Regardless if it's 9.01 at 165.

Whos knows why they are stuck at the bottom 9's. Maybe it is because they are not set up more for the strip. Maybe they need more testing. Who knows.<hr /></blockquote>when it ran those 9.20's it was right off the street on e.t streets. with a full slick and some weight reduction and a better driver than motor trend itd probably go 8's with just that.

Pro Stock John

06-06-2002, 01:13 PM

The LPE TT C5 is a 427 C5R with twin turbos, and I am very sure it's best run is a 9.22 pass. The car is supported by a crew of folks and it's not a low dollar effort as you might expect. It's a very neat car.

The LPE Z28 is a 2000 Z28, also owned by a customer, that has gone (I think) 9.5's with C5R complete motor. Plans have been to get that car to run into the 8's... Plans have also included a possible minitub. Car turns some serious rpms and makes peak HP at an rpm you willl not believe, so I won't tell you. It's red too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

[ June 06, 2002, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]

TrahnZam WS6

06-06-2002, 02:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hondakiller:
is the ARE car running on just motor too? if so i withdraw the question but then again that also begs the question why hasnt someone done a motor like that in a race car? <hr /></blockquote>Cause its pointless. There are much cheaper ways to run 8s than with an LS1 in a race-car only application.

LEO

06-06-2002, 05:50 PM

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Take a good look at what that LPE car cost, $165,000.00!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

[ June 06, 2002, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: LEO ]

bigSS

06-06-2002, 09:27 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Quickin:
As for LPE, big deal, with $100,000 I would consider it a bit slow.<hr /></blockquote>I wouldn't go so far as to say that. The LPE C5 is a STREET CAR. Its almost as doscile as a stock C5, yet it runs the number. Its a "package" deal. You pay for the setup and the name. It is by no means a drag car.

[ June 06, 2002, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: bigSS ]

hondakiller

06-06-2002, 09:43 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bigSS:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Quickin:
As for LPE, big deal, with $100,000 I would consider it a bit slow.<hr /></blockquote>I wouldn't go so far as to say that. The LPE C5 is a STREET CAR. Its almost as docile as a stock C5, yet it runs the number. Its a "package" deal. You pay for the setup and the name. It is by no means a drag car.<hr /></blockquote>thats what ive been getting at. i realize its an expensive all out effort but this is a street car possibly an exotic summer daily driver that runs 9's. as an all out drag car thats easily an 8 second car. i mean hell its still got the stock 3.42's in the back with an 1800rpm launch and no converter if im not mistaken. of course theres ways to run 8's cheaper in an ls1 but you wouldnt be driving it to the grocery store anytime soon. o yeah this is on pump gas too and smog legal. btw, this is on ls6 heads not c5-r heads.

[ June 06, 2002, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: hondakiller ]

quickWS6

06-07-2002, 02:17 PM

If I had the money, I would get a LPE TT427 Z06. That package is unbelievable. Would you rather put the $165,000 towards a LPE Vette or towards any number of the "slow" exotic supercars out there?

No1uNo

06-07-2002, 04:08 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Cause its pointless. There are much cheaper ways to run 8s than with an LS1 in a race-car only application.<hr /></blockquote>

This is an LS1 web site correct? If someone wants to build the fastest LS1 on the planet running into the 8s or even 7s, I say go for it. I personnel would love to see the video of that car, big tires, tubs, a glide and 1000+ hp. I certainly don’t think the members and sponsors of this board think it’s pointless to build or sell the parts for such a car. The simple fact is it all boils down to money, if you don’t have it, you’re right, it is pointless.

Pro Stock John

06-07-2002, 04:59 PM

I think that the original post sort of jabbed at a few folks.

It's a very cool car, the TT C5, but we need to also keep in mind that it cost over $150,000 to build and while most folks would love the incredible streetability of the car, I doubt most folks could afford to spend that on the car.

Rpm2800

06-07-2002, 09:28 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by quickWS6:
If I had the money, I would get a LPE TT427 Z06. That package is unbelievable. Would you rather put the $165,000 towards a LPE Vette or towards any number of the "slow" exotic supercars out there?<hr /></blockquote>I don't know if a Viper is considered a "slow" exotic, but i would prefer a turbo Viper, or probably even one with less power than the TT C5 myself.

The TT C5 is a BAD!! car however I think the 4th gen Trans Am and Viper are the baddest looking cars on the street , and i would just put my money into them.

A TT C5 would proabably be my choice AFTER them, but to each his own. Although i would try to do it for ALOT less. (Of course it can be done for ALOT!! less.)

It is a truly BAD car though. I think is saw that even with it's 1/4 mile performance it still corners at about 1 g . Even though i not into corner carving it is a bad ride.

SSBoy

06-09-2002, 11:19 PM

For a 160,000 I'd rather have a Red Ferrari Modena 360. Who cares if it doesn't run nines!
its the 'sexiest bitch alive' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

hondakiller

06-10-2002, 07:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
I think that the original post sort of jabbed at a few folks.

It's a very cool car, the TT C5, but we need to also keep in mind that it cost over $150,000 to build and while most folks would love the incredible streetability of the car, I doubt most folks could afford to spend that on the car.<hr /></blockquote>wait wait no jabs here im too slow to talk much trash to anyone <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> . i was just curious if lingenfelter had some secret or something. i realize it costs a bundle to own one but its got daily driver streetability and runs right with the fastest track only ls1's as well.

<img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Z06 Corvette]" title="" src="graemlins/z06.gif" />

Colonel

06-10-2002, 01:02 PM

"i was just curious if lingenfelter had some secret or something."

It's no secret really. It's just a good example of what a properly done twin turbo setup can do. Honestly, MTI, ARE, and others could give the same results for a HELLUVA lot less $$$.