BriancWS6

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I will be ordering a cam package pretty soon. I have been searching but I haven't found anything on TSP 231 231 .595 .595 on 112. My heads will be stock besides the upgraded components, at least until winter, then I MIGHT have TEA do some work to them. My mods are in sig and I will have a Hooker catback instead of the Flowmaster. I don't daily drive this car at all, it is my weekend toy only. Street racing, occasional track, cruisin town, and blastin down a straight on a lonely back road is what I do most. I do want to be able to drive it on a trip if I want though. I have read a lot about the 231 237, and thought the 231 231 cam might be a little more friendly. Help me make the right choice, I only want to do this swap ONCE. Thanks alot.

jrp

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i dont see any problems with your choice . if i remember right the TSP guys said the 231/231 has better low/mid range then the 231/237 which is always a good thing.

and trust me, you never do just one swap

BriancWS6

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Now that is what I like to hear, makes me feel more confident about the selection, thanks.

MurrayFormula

Thunder Racing has a few good cam choices. I ordered the .575/.563 230/224 111 LSA. I will have it in on 22 July 04. Mine cam closer to a 110 LSA though at 110.4. Dyno Graph shows 415RWHP with this choice and full bolt-ons.

1fastWS6

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I think it would be a decent choice for stock heads, but I guarantee you once you have the heads done that cam will be too small. I also think since your car isn't a daily driver (neither is mine) you should take advantage of a cam with faster ramp rates. Sure, they're harder on valve springs, but if you only put 4-5k a year on your car like I do, then you'd have 3-4 years atleast before needing to swap springs. The faster ramps make a bunch more low-mid range and same or better peak too. I've seen several dyno graphs of the 231/237 and the low-mid torque is pretty low compared to smaller, faster ramp cams that still make the same peak HP.
I'd check out TSP's new 233/233 or even their 232R if I were you. I'm a bit partial to the FMS F13 cam though. All should have better idle, better low/mid, easier to tune, and make just as much power. Heck, ask Gomer, he's had almost everyone of those cams in his car.

Just my opinion though.

BriancWS6

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I thought I had it all figured out and now I find myself wondering which cam once more. I didn't know TSP had those other new cams. I haven't seen them on their website. I don't want to leave any power on the table, but I definately don't want to have **** poor low to mid. Heads are only a maybe, as they are pretty pricey and I could spend that money on NOS and have $$$ left over, but we'll see.

Bowtieman4life

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Just my opinion! I think either cam is too big for stock heads. I personally would stay under 224 but that's just me. My little cam with a stock 10bolt and 342 would make 10 to 15 more hp and tq so do the math and compare the numbers of the larger cams.

PREDATOR-Z

I will say this again.

Cam alone "magic numbers" is BS. To achieve the 420 rwhp with a cam only, you are putting so much stress on the rest of the motor.
The trick is "combo" H/C with a shortblock to handle what you want to dish out at it.
The stock shortblock has limitations. So good power is made with a medium cam and some excellent heads.
With "BIG" cams like these, it is the eqivalent of shooting 200>250 wet on a stock motor. It will handle it if properly tuned but for how many passes, no one knows.

So please stay away from this insecure feeling of "Mine is bigger than yours". and do it properly. Think how you'll feel when a car with a 224 whips your 240 duration monster, just because her " combo" is well balanced.

BriancWS6

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Anybody else care to chime in?

Cstraub

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I agree with Predator, a well thoughout combo has much more useable power then max cam effort piece. Have the heads worked on by TEA and get a more balanced bullet.

Chris

BriancWS6

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I am going to go with the TSP 225. Hopefully I'll get 375ish to the wheels with it.

SouthFL.02.SS

Oh man, you had a nice cam picked out to start off with.
The 231/231 is a great cam, with better mid range than the 231/237 at the sacrifice of only a few ponies.

225? It's great too, but as mentioned before, if it's your weekend toy, GO BIG!
Call FUTRAL!!! Or try the new, larger TSP cams.

Edit: I still find it funny when a 230+ duration cam is called a small cam, hehe. What a couple years has done.

BriancWS6

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One of the guys at TSP said with my 3.23s and 3500 stall the 225 would be my best bet. Yeah, I thought I was going to get the 231 231, but I don't want the car to suffer in the low end any more than it will already. I will also be on stock heads, this is my first cam, if it isn't big enough I'll sell it and get a bigger one. I'd rather start here and move up than start too big and have to go down. This cam should still add some good punch to the car.

SouthFL.02.SS

No doubt it will, and they're correct about the pairing with the gear and stall.
You'll like the setup for sure.
The 225 is pretty new and I've read nothing but good things about it.

BriancWS6

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It's all on the way, hopefully it'll be here in time to install it this weekend. Thanks for everyones help and input.

CamaroCain

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This is a very good idea IMO. Nitrous will give you more power than a $2k set of heads, and nitrous is there when you want it or need it. I would tell the guys at TSP that before you order the 225 cam, IF that is what you want to do.
Do you plan to keep that setup or step up to like 3.73's and a 4000+ stall? Since it's not your daily driver.

BriancWS6

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I already ordered the 225, but they are waiting on the springs for a day or so before they ship. Does the 225 not work well with nitrous? In the future I might change the stall and gears, but right now I'm going with what fits my car as it sits.

PREDATOR-Z

The 225 is a great cam and a step up on the TR224 or similar.
I has superb trq curve (Nice high and flat) and will pull to 6500+ with no problem.

Shooting N20 up to 150 dry/wet will be no problem
also if you decide to step up in gears and stall you'll benefit even more.

I was looking at that cam but since I got heads (AFR), I didn't see the need to even go that high and I went with MTI Stealth II on a 116 lsa.

IMO you can't go wrong with that cam. I has a good balance for the street/strip.
With good heads and full bolt ons you should see 420rwhp ++

AdamSS

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Why is this a "step up on TR224" ? Yea, duration is a bit longer, but TR has more agressive lobes. I'll bet TR224 has a little bit more juice than TSP224.
I know the lifts are higher on TSP225, but ultimatiley it's the more agressive lobes that count....

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong....

PREDATOR-Z

A little more duration, a little more lift, a little less degree of overlap, not to mention less stress on your valvetrain.
To absolutly settle this you would have to do a direct swap from TR 224 to TSP 225 in the same car and motor. Only diff. would be cam & tuning.

They are both in the same powerband category yet the 225 is a little more gentle.